GLG verdict

[GoranZ]

I guess all cheaters support other cheaters... the only difference is that GLG is cheating in 99% of his recent games lol, that's why he is still on top, but that time will go away eventually..

so everybody who had same amount of points 3 yrs ago and support glg in this case is cheater? let me see...
3 years ago i had... errr... pretty much same amount of points as i have now. i do support glg in this case(for the first time, but nevertheless, i do support him now)... so i guess im cheater? or i just dont give a f*ck about points(yes, there are ppl on this site, many of them actually, who dont give a rats ass about point) and also im sane enough to look for ruling instead of accused one?

Read properly what I write... "I guess all cheaters support other cheaters...", not "Everyone that support glg is a cheater" . Now I wonder you found your self in the cheaters

this reminds me, some 15yrs ago, here in Serbia, they implemented new law about media. that shit was something like "if someone feels offended by text in newspaper, he can sue the papers for... something that usually costs lots of zeroes". by itself, law wasnt all that scandalous, however, with Milosevic controlling all the judges, it was clear sign to everyone to shut a f*ck up, or be ready to pay shit load of money...
and its same with this. "gross abuse" means nothing.i would like goranz to be banned because he is grossly abusing the logic while arguing!

My logic is proper... how you interpret it is out of my jurisdiction. And I didn't vote for Milosevic but majority of Serbian voters, so why complaining for wrong decisions made by the majority... but eventually even Milosevic was replaced with "littlebit" more casualties

[freakns]

thats what im talking about... if you leave something to interpretation, it can not be used as valid point in banning someone.
glg was banned because mod feels he was abusing the game.

[chang50]

thats what im talking about... if you leave something to interpretation, it can not be used as valid point in banning someone.
glg was banned because mod feels he was abusing the game.

or mods gave in to the feelings of the vocal minority who have acted like a lynch mob..piss enough people off and bingo you are facing a gross abugse charge.

[GoranZ]

thats what im talking about... if you leave something to interpretation, it can not be used as valid point in banning someone.
glg was banned because mod feels he was abusing the game.

He is abusing the game... he was warned before and here is your example why he was warned.

this reminds me, some 15yrs ago, here in Serbia, they implemented new law about media. that shit was something like "if someone feels offended by text in newspaper, he can sue the papers for... something that usually costs lots of zeroes". by itself, law wasnt all that scandalous, however, with Milosevic controlling all the judges, it was clear sign to everyone to shut a f*ck up, or be ready to pay shit load of money...

You obviously didn't like Milosevic's judges. When normal people enter in the court room with unequal chances for wining the case and rarely who won case you were against Milosevic's judges which is correct... So what is the difference when GLG and his victims played on Mogul? Obviously they entered with unequal(regardless of their points or skill) chances for victory. From the stats GLG has 204 wins from 206 games(over 99%). Now you were not supporting Milosevic's law but you are supporting GLG's actions why? They both provided unequal chances for victory to their opponents. For this GLG was warned but he chose to ignore that ruling and he got ban.

thats what im talking about... if you leave something to interpretation, it can not be used as valid point in banning someone.
glg was banned because mod feels he was abusing the game.

or mods gave in to the feelings of the vocal minority who have acted like a lynch mob..piss enough people off and bingo you are facing a gross abugse charge.

What mob... he was warned previously(scroll few lines up so you can read why), he chose to not obey that ruling so he was banned. What do u expect?

P.S. My English is probably not the best but I'm trying to explain it as best I can.

[freakns]

how is he abusing the game?!

you and i can play 25 bamboo, sunny, esc, chained quads, and ill beat you at least 23 times, if not all 25... and you are fucking general! would that be abusing the game?! no, because someone suspects you actually have a clue how to play this game, and if you are stupid enough to play the rules that doesnt suit it, well, its your fault. you ofc would never play that game because you love your points dearly, but as i said, there are ppl who dont give a f*ck about points!
and glg isnt abusing the game, it anything, he is abusing scoring system, and you feel pain in your rear end because he has more points then you, not because he is abusing the game.

as i said, i dont like the guy, when i hear him speak i feel stomach sickness, thats how much im sick of him, but that doesnt mean he did something wrong this time! he took major who has more then 500 games played, and sweet talk him into a game by his rules. how the f*ck is that abusing the game?! because he is better then him? i needed less then one game to understand im one of three worst freestyle players that ever lived, so if someone cant understand he is going to be annihilated in some game, im sorry, but joke is on him.

and how can you compare glg with Milosevic's judges? you are obligated to show up in court, and noone is forcing you to play against glg

edit: your english is good enough, im sure youd make no sense in macedonian too... you are welcome to try though, i understand it as good as english

[jj3044]

thats what im talking about... if you leave something to interpretation, it can not be used as valid point in banning someone.
glg was banned because mod feels he was abusing the game.

Aren't laws even open to interpretation? I mean, I'm no lawyer, but every time I ask for my company's legal team for info on how to proceed based on the law, they always give me an "opinion" or "interpretation"...

Not that I really like comparing CC rules with real life laws... but I just wanted to throw that out there.

[rdsrds2120]

Some of you are getting pretty nasty. Keep it civil from here, no one cares how wittily you can insult one another. If it comes down to everything to be said about the GLG verdict is exhausted, you'll see a lock.

Best to you all,

--rdsrds2120

[IcePack]

rds I can smell you from here, nasty!!!

[GoranZ]

you ofc would never play that game because you love your points dearly, but as i said, there are ppl who dont give a f*ck about points!

I love my points as much as anyone else, primarily I came here to have fun not points ... And I play on maps I like not on maps I do not like

glg isnt abusing the game, it anything, he is abusing scoring system,

and scoring system is not part of the game?

and you feel pain in your rear end because he has more points then you, not because he is abusing the game.

You have some special abilities? If you think that you have they are not working

and how can you compare glg with Milosevic's judges? you are obligated to show up in court, and noone is forcing you to play against glg

I was referring to the uniquality... not by the legal obligations, its obvious that legal actions can not be compared.

edit: your english is good enough, im sure youd make no sense in macedonian too... you are welcome to try though, i understand it as good as english

I'm sure you would have understand me but I doubt about the others so we will never know how sensible would I have sounded

[Woodruff]

Stating he didn't break any rules by ignoring the rule he broke does not translate into "finding a loophole".

Which rule is that? What did he exactly do that was against the rules? And don't say gross abouse or I'll gross abuse your mom.

But that's exactly the answer. As I explained much earlier in this thread.

Ok but that's just kind of circular. Anyone can be convicted and then just said "it was gross abuse". There needs to be an explanation why it was "gross abuse", what exactly did they do that constitutes as "gross abuse". The concept of "gross abuse" has no meaning on its own.

There IS the explanation. I've posted it in this thread, and I'm far from the only one. You seem to be intentionally overlooking it. GLG was intentionally manipulating the scoring system. But that's far from it. He was also warned against doing so, and simply tried a new (yet EXCEPTIONALLY SIMILAR) method for it. He essentially took their warning about his manipulation and threw it back at them, laughing. This was not some out of the blue thing...he had plenty of opportunities to avoid it by simply having SOME of his games not be extraordinarily ranching. It wouldn't have taken much. He wouldn't do that.

It's not circular at all. As I said previously, the C&A mods have been exceptionally reticent about punishing anyone for this sort of behavior, but GLG's was so beyond the pale that they decided they needed to take action because of the severity of it.

[chang50]

Stating he didn't break any rules by ignoring the rule he broke does not translate into "finding a loophole".

Which rule is that? What did he exactly do that was against the rules? And don't say gross abouse or I'll gross abuse your mom.

But that's exactly the answer. As I explained much earlier in this thread.

Ok but that's just kind of circular. Anyone can be convicted and then just said "it was gross abuse". There needs to be an explanation why it was "gross abuse", what exactly did they do that constitutes as "gross abuse". The concept of "gross abuse" has no meaning on its own.

There IS the explanation. I've posted it in this thread, and I'm far from the only one. You seem to be intentionally overlooking it. GLG was intentionally manipulating the scoring system. But that's far from it. He was also warned against doing so, and simply tried a new (yet EXCEPTIONALLY SIMILAR) method for it. He essentially took their warning about his manipulation and threw it back at them, laughing. This was not some out of the blue thing...he had plenty of opportunities to avoid it by simply having SOME of his games not be extraordinarily ranching. It wouldn't have taken much. He wouldn't do that.

It's not circular at all. As I said previously, the C&A mods have been exceptionally reticent about punishing anyone for this sort of behavior, but GLG's was so beyond the pale that they decided they needed to take action because of the severity of it.

at the risk of committing some great heresy I don't believe what glg did is beyond the pale.personally dice bitching is at least as obnoxious but wouldn't want anyone punished for it

[Woodruff]

Stating he didn't break any rules by ignoring the rule he broke does not translate into "finding a loophole".

Which rule is that? What did he exactly do that was against the rules? And don't say gross abouse or I'll gross abuse your mom.

But that's exactly the answer. As I explained much earlier in this thread.

Ok but that's just kind of circular. Anyone can be convicted and then just said "it was gross abuse". There needs to be an explanation why it was "gross abuse", what exactly did they do that constitutes as "gross abuse". The concept of "gross abuse" has no meaning on its own.

There IS the explanation. I've posted it in this thread, and I'm far from the only one. You seem to be intentionally overlooking it. GLG was intentionally manipulating the scoring system. But that's far from it. He was also warned against doing so, and simply tried a new (yet EXCEPTIONALLY SIMILAR) method for it. He essentially took their warning about his manipulation and threw it back at them, laughing. This was not some out of the blue thing...he had plenty of opportunities to avoid it by simply having SOME of his games not be extraordinarily ranching. It wouldn't have taken much. He wouldn't do that.

It's not circular at all. As I said previously, the C&A mods have been exceptionally reticent about punishing anyone for this sort of behavior, but GLG's was so beyond the pale that they decided they needed to take action because of the severity of it.

at the risk of committing some great heresy I don't believe what glg did is beyond the pale.personally dice bitching is at least as obnoxious but wouldn't want anyone punished for it

I don't necessarily consider that a great heresy, it's simply your perspective and there's nothing wrong with that. But to require that others, to include those who run the side, must share your perspective doesn't make a lot of sense. Frankly, for me, it comes down to the fact that he was told not to do it many times by the moderators, and continued to do so without even attempting to follow their guidance about mixing up his opponents to include a few experienced players (on that map/setting). Eventually, they had no choice but to act. This isn't about obnoxiousness, it's about manipulation.

[natty dread]

Stating he didn't break any rules by ignoring the rule he broke does not translate into "finding a loophole".

Which rule is that? What did he exactly do that was against the rules? And don't say gross abouse or I'll gross abuse your mom.

But that's exactly the answer. As I explained much earlier in this thread.

Ok but that's just kind of circular. Anyone can be convicted and then just said "it was gross abuse". There needs to be an explanation why it was "gross abuse", what exactly did they do that constitutes as "gross abuse". The concept of "gross abuse" has no meaning on its own.

There IS the explanation. I've posted it in this thread, and I'm far from the only one. You seem to be intentionally overlooking it. GLG was intentionally manipulating the scoring system. But that's far from it. He was also warned against doing so, and simply tried a new (yet EXCEPTIONALLY SIMILAR) method for it. He essentially took their warning about his manipulation and threw it back at them, laughing. This was not some out of the blue thing...he had plenty of opportunities to avoid it by simply having SOME of his games not be extraordinarily ranching. It wouldn't have taken much. He wouldn't do that.

It's not circular at all. As I said previously, the C&A mods have been exceptionally reticent about punishing anyone for this sort of behavior, but GLG's was so beyond the pale that they decided they needed to take action because of the severity of it.

"Manipulating the scoring system"? That's enough for a ban?

Ok, I guess we can just pretty much ban the first couple of pages of the scoreboard, then. If "manipulating the scoring system" is enough, then this is going to be an empty site pretty soon.

Also, how is it "manipulating the scoring system" when you ask someone to play a game, they agree, and you win? Isn't he getting those points exactly the way they're supposed to be got, within the boundaries of the CC scoring system?

Is there some kind of set percentage of games that need to be public? There are plenty of people who never play public games, and only play people of their choosing. The only difference is, they don't win as much, and they aren't the rank of conqueror. So why does this "rule" only apply to GLG?

Some people are butthurt because GLG is gaining points in a way they don't approve. But it's not GLG:s fault, it's the fault of a flawed scoring system, a flawed site interface, etc. that allows him to benefit from it. Punishing individual players is just a bandage solution, and this whole GLG thing is just a witch hunt.

[jgordon1111]

Stating he didn't break any rules by ignoring the rule he broke does not translate into "finding a loophole".

Which rule is that? What did he exactly do that was against the rules? And don't say gross abouse or I'll gross abuse your mom.

But that's exactly the answer. As I explained much earlier in this thread.

Ok but that's just kind of circular. Anyone can be convicted and then just said "it was gross abuse". There needs to be an explanation why it was "gross abuse", what exactly did they do that constitutes as "gross abuse". The concept of "gross abuse" has no meaning on its own.

There IS the explanation. I've posted it in this thread, and I'm far from the only one. You seem to be intentionally overlooking it. GLG was intentionally manipulating the scoring system. But that's far from it. He was also warned against doing so, and simply tried a new (yet EXCEPTIONALLY SIMILAR) method for it. He essentially took their warning about his manipulation and threw it back at them, laughing. This was not some out of the blue thing...he had plenty of opportunities to avoid it by simply having SOME of his games not be extraordinarily ranching. It wouldn't have taken much. He wouldn't do that.

It's not circular at all. As I said previously, the C&A mods have been exceptionally reticent about punishing anyone for this sort of behavior, but GLG's was so beyond the pale that they decided they needed to take action because of the severity of it.

"Manipulating the scoring system"? That's enough for a ban?

Ok, I guess we can just pretty much ban the first couple of pages of the scoreboard, then. If "manipulating the scoring system" is enough, then this is going to be an empty site pretty soon.

Also, how is it "manipulating the scoring system" when you ask someone to play a game, they agree, and you win? Isn't he getting those points exactly the way they're supposed to be got, within the boundaries of the CC scoring system?

Is there some kind of set percentage of games that need to be public? There are plenty of people who never play public games, and only play people of their choosing. The only difference is, they don't win as much, and they aren't the rank of conqueror. So why does this "rule" only apply to GLG?

Some people are butthurt because GLG is gaining points in a way they don't approve. But it's not GLG:s fault, it's the fault of a flawed scoring system, a flawed site interface, etc. that allows him to benefit from it. Punishing individual players is just a bandage solution, and this whole GLG thing is just a witch hunt.

LOL now your just being amusing,you seem to have a knack for over looking pieces of the puzzle you dont like,and ignoring the blatantly obvious.

Can you let me know where I can get some of that,it will help me at work I think.

[Woodruff]

Stating he didn't break any rules by ignoring the rule he broke does not translate into "finding a loophole".

Which rule is that? What did he exactly do that was against the rules? And don't say gross abouse or I'll gross abuse your mom.

But that's exactly the answer. As I explained much earlier in this thread.

Ok but that's just kind of circular. Anyone can be convicted and then just said "it was gross abuse". There needs to be an explanation why it was "gross abuse", what exactly did they do that constitutes as "gross abuse". The concept of "gross abuse" has no meaning on its own.

There IS the explanation. I've posted it in this thread, and I'm far from the only one. You seem to be intentionally overlooking it. GLG was intentionally manipulating the scoring system. But that's far from it. He was also warned against doing so, and simply tried a new (yet EXCEPTIONALLY SIMILAR) method for it. He essentially took their warning about his manipulation and threw it back at them, laughing. This was not some out of the blue thing...he had plenty of opportunities to avoid it by simply having SOME of his games not be extraordinarily ranching. It wouldn't have taken much. He wouldn't do that.

It's not circular at all. As I said previously, the C&A mods have been exceptionally reticent about punishing anyone for this sort of behavior, but GLG's was so beyond the pale that they decided they needed to take action because of the severity of it.

"Manipulating the scoring system"? That's enough for a ban?

Ok, I guess we can just pretty much ban the first couple of pages of the scoreboard, then. If "manipulating the scoring system" is enough, then this is going to be an empty site pretty soon.

Also, how is it "manipulating the scoring system" when you ask someone to play a game, they agree, and you win? Isn't he getting those points exactly the way they're supposed to be got, within the boundaries of the CC scoring system?

Is there some kind of set percentage of games that need to be public? There are plenty of people who never play public games, and only play people of their choosing. The only difference is, they don't win as much, and they aren't the rank of conqueror. So why does this "rule" only apply to GLG?

Some people are butthurt because GLG is gaining points in a way they don't approve. But it's not GLG:s fault, it's the fault of a flawed scoring system, a flawed site interface, etc. that allows him to benefit from it. Punishing individual players is just a bandage solution, and this whole GLG thing is just a witch hunt.

It's obvious you're not interested in the reasonable explanation that does differentiate GLG from the others, so why do you continue? It seems to me that you're the one that's butt-hurt here.

[jghost7]

It's obvious you're not interested in the reasonable explanation that does differentiate GLG from the others, so why do you continue? It seems to me that you're the one that's butt-hurt here.

Woodruff, he continues because he feels that he is right(and I agree) and the fact that some are continuing to push the anti-GLG propaganda blindly without considering the potential consequences of these actions for all. You should not try to dismiss him because your views do not meet. I understand that both sides have valid points but the fact is that this was handled badly.

Whether or not you believe GLG is a cheat, you must consider the methods used to try to curb the unwanted practices that he was implementing. This should have been dealt with in a different manner rather than try to wrap rules around a specific player. Whether or not he was searching out players with little experience in his preferred game, the simple facts remain that talking to a player beforehand is not wrong. Neither is asking for a game, whatever the setting. Setting up private games is not illegal. He was not seeking out NRs nor was he even targeting low ranks. Just because your opponent does not know a particular map or setting is not grounds for 'abuse'. I am not aware of any way to coerce a player on this site to play a game so obviously the game is consensual. The fact remains that a player can choose the games he/she wishes to play, and there are no regulations regarding having to play public games. The simple fact that the mods are suggesting that it is possible for any of these actions that are not against the rules are punishable is ludicrous. These are actions taken everyday by the various members of this website.

There will be much more back and forth on this issue, but the fact remains that very little that either side says here will matter in the long run. Regardless of either sides righteous spiels, this is a privately owned site and that they can and will do whatever they want.

Thanks,

J

[Jdsizzleslice]

This whole post is meaningless... We all know he has cheated. And should be banned for it. LOLOL...

[chang50]

This whole post is meaningless... We all know he has cheated. And should be banned for it. LOLOL...

Lol you don't speak for me or many others dismayed by the witch hunt which pressured the mods into the appalling series of rulings against glg,

[jgordon1111]

This whole post is meaningless... We all know he has cheated. And should be banned for it. LOLOL...

Lol you don't speak for me or many others dismayed by the witch hunt which pressured the mods into the appalling series of rulings against glg,

And you do not speak for those who believe the right actions were taken and it was not a witch hunt,but that glg brought this on himself.

It is all perspective,who thinks he is guilty and who doesnt,the important part is the people who act as Lacks right hand on this site looked and from their perspective chose to give glg a ban.

If you want a perfect site where everything goes your way create it.

Good luck with that.

[natty dread]

If you want a perfect site where everything goes your way create it.

Good luck with that.

Somehow, I have a feeling you wouldn't be satisfied if, instead of listening to your whining and banning GLG, the C&A mods would have told you that.

This whole post is meaningless... We all know he has cheated.

Yes, you all [who?] know he cheated. In fact you decided that from the onset. Too bad it seems to be impossible for any of you to come up with an explanation of what exactly he did that was "cheating".

Whether or not you believe GLG is a cheat, you must consider the methods used to try to curb the unwanted practices that he was implementing. This should have been dealt with in a different manner rather than try to wrap rules around a specific player. Whether or not he was searching out players with little experience in his preferred game, the simple facts remain that talking to a player beforehand is not wrong. Neither is asking for a game, whatever the setting. Setting up private games is not illegal. He was not seeking out NRs nor was he even targeting low ranks. Just because your opponent does not know a particular map or setting is not grounds for 'abuse'. I am not aware of any way to coerce a player on this site to play a game so obviously the game is consensual. The fact remains that a player can choose the games he/she wishes to play, and there are no regulations regarding having to play public games. The simple fact that the mods are suggesting that it is possible for any of these actions that are not against the rules are punishable is ludicrous. These are actions taken everyday by the various members of this website.

Quite right.

[chang50]

This whole post is meaningless... We all know he has cheated. And should be banned for it. LOLOL...

Lol you don't speak for me or many others dismayed by the witch hunt which pressured the mods into the appalling series of rulings against glg,

And you do not speak for those who believe the right actions were taken and it was not a witch hunt,but that glg brought this on himself.

It is all perspective,who thinks he is guilty and who doesnt,the important part is the people who act as Lacks right hand on this site looked and from their perspective chose to give glg a ban.

If you want a perfect site where everything goes your way create it.

Good luck with that.

I know I don't speak for everyone on this site,my post was in response to a post stating everyone knew glg cheated when this is patently untrue.

[Jdsizzleslice]

Yes, you all [who?] know he cheated. In fact you decided that from the onset. Too bad it seems to be impossible for any of you to come up with an explanation of what exactly he did that was "cheating".

Would you invite SGT's and under into a game where they have 0% chance at winning on a complex map? So far as of now, he had 2 losses on City Mogul, to QoH and Rds. The rest of the people had really never played the map, and even if they has played it, only once or twice. This is ranching, coward like, and inexcusable. And the right accusation was given when he was warned.

But then, he had to stoop so low as to try and get other players who never really new the map to create the game so it would, in his eyes, technically not be violating what he was warned for... Lol. That was definitely wrong. If you would like to take me for example, I rarely invite people below under lieutenant to be AGAINST me in a game, 1v1 or Quad. I always find a public game and join it, or create my own public game and have other people join. If he would have created public games, this topic would not even exist, because anyone can join public games. Problem is he is doing this willfully, and creating private games.

He has been given a warning, then a 30 day ban. HE will more than likely foe everyone on the top 600 or major above on the scoreboard, so NO SKILLED PERSON can join his game... Lol, I laugh because he has me foed and we have never played a game.

That is the explanation.

Rules:

Cheaters and troublemakers detract from the gaming experience of all Conquer Club players, and proactive measures are employed to protect our membership. Conquer Club reserves the right to suspend accounts and cancel Premium Memberships, with or without warning, of those players who are deemed to have violated the rules.

Unwritten Rules:

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

[GoranZ]

Some people are butthurt because GLG is gaining points in a way they don't approve. But it's not GLG:s fault, it's the fault of a flawed scoring system, a flawed site interface, etc. that allows him to benefit from it. Punishing individual players is just a bandage solution, and this whole GLG thing is just a witch hunt.

As I said before using flaws in the system to get something is cheating... it is cheating everywhere, not only in CC. And CC has rule for it, gross abuse of the game. If 20K players play by the rules and 1 play using flaws you don't change the system, you just ban the "smart" one. Simple, and the flaws you mentioned are temporary fixed.

GLG will get permanent ban regardless what you say or do... get use to it

[natty dread]

Some people are butthurt because GLG is gaining points in a way they don't approve. But it's not GLG:s fault, it's the fault of a flawed scoring system, a flawed site interface, etc. that allows him to benefit from it. Punishing individual players is just a bandage solution, and this whole GLG thing is just a witch hunt.

As I said before using flaws in the system to get something is cheating... it is cheating everywhere, not only in CC. And CC has rule for it, gross abuse of the game. If 20K players play by the rules and 1 play using flaws you don't change the system, you just ban the "smart" one. Simple, and the flaws you mentioned are temporary fixed.

GLG will get permanent ban regardless what you say or do... get use to it

There isn't "20k player play by the rules", there's 14.5k players and a lot more than 1 of those are "cheating" by your definition... there's plenty of players who game the system to get points. What's the difference with what GLG does, and for example, starting public team games with an established team on a difficult/unpopular map and waiting for noobs to join up - it's the same thing. Pretty much anyone over colonel rank has to be gaming the system in some way to maintain that rank.

So the funny thing is, you're as much a cheater as GLG is. You manipulate the system as much as he does, you're just not as good at it.

Can you spell hypocrite?

[jgordon1111]

This whole post is meaningless... We all know he has cheated. And should be banned for it. LOLOL...

Lol you don't speak for me or many others dismayed by the witch hunt which pressured the mods into the appalling series of rulings against glg,

And you do not speak for those who believe the right actions were taken and it was not a witch hunt,but that glg brought this on himself.

It is all perspective,who thinks he is guilty and who doesnt,the important part is the people who act as Lacks right hand on this site looked and from their perspective chose to give glg a ban.

If you want a perfect site where everything goes your way create it.

Good luck with that.

I know I don't speak for everyone on this site,my post was in response to a post stating everyone knew glg cheated when this is patently untrue.

My point is from your view and perspective it is patently untrue. From other players perspective it is blatantly true.

From the MODS view it was true,end of story.

@ natty are you still on about this,why? You seem to have an uncanny knack to not see certain info. why is this. Are an X-Man and your ability is to be blind to the obvious? Thats the only reason I can see why you are still arguing this,and now your saying all the top rankers are cheaters.

According to your arguement glg is not a cheater, how can then all the top rankers be cheaters.

Make up your mind natty its one way or the other.