All bulllshit aside (dug)

[Molacole]

*edited out useless shit to keep it more on topic...


2007-04-03 21:14:12 - dugcarr1: just so the people in forums know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
2007-04-03 21:15:22 - dugcarr1: I pm ed captin killroy and OFFERED him a 20 membership to give me his password as so i could play blitz,
2007-04-03 21:16:24 - dugcarr1: no $$$ changed hands, or passwords were givin or recived, or were there any allainces or multi accounts.
2007-04-03 21:17:30 - dugcarr1: but the mods of the site... ...banned me for comincating with anyone here for 4 moths,,, NO FORUMS OR PMs
2007-04-03 21:18:45 - dugcarr1: they never sent me an email or anything explaining there actions, and i didnt even break any of there rules, i have emailed them on few acations asking nicely about there actions but no reason was givin
2007-04-03 21:20:26 - dugcarr1: then for a few diffenet reasons (under protest) i anounced just before they instituted there "punishment" for me NOT breaking any rules I anounced i would be giving away all my points...
2007-04-03 21:21:25 - dugcarr1: then i started over 100 games with the porpose of losing them all.
2007-04-03 21:22:34 - dugcarr1: a few of my online buds were trying to comunicate with me , but as the mods took away my write free speach or speach at all.
2007-04-03 21:23:30 - dugcarr1: I decided to join a few (dont know the # but less then 10) games they had going, for the sole purpose of talking to them, as i had no other way
2007-04-03 21:24:07 - dugcarr1: then they erased about 60 or so of games, half of wich were on round 3 or higher.
2007-04-03 21:25:00 - dugcarr1: wicked and lack said it was an accident if u (read forum) then they cancelled my acount .

The ModSquad and I have been watching this topic for a while, and we've all come to agreement on action.

Due to the fact that Dugcarr1 specifically confessed to the allegations at hand, we are forced to come to this decision:

As you know, we like a general hands off rule approach, as is duly noted in our Rules Page. I can say we honestly never imagined anyone would be capable of doing such things. As has been general knowledge in the forum we've always taken 'proactive measures to enforce fair-play.'

As we do not specifically have a rule covering this, we believe we are well within our proactive measures to stomp this out right here now. Thus, Dugcarr1 will be BANNED from the FORUM and PERSONAL MESSAGES for 4 months (I.E. 1/3 year) as the forum was the root of this all.

We all surely hope to never come across anything like this again. Lets all just have fun and kill each other...fairly...alright? See you all on the battlefield,




Regards, ModSquad & your ZooKeeper


--Andy

Partially false, dug has stated the root of all of this was the scoring system and blitzaholic was his poster boy.

2007-04-03 21:34:31 - dugcarr1: it wasnt to much about blitz,,, he just happenen to be my poster boy because he was in 1st place...

2007-04-01 01:26:52 - dugcarr1: ...THERE WAS NO SECRET ALLIANCE EVER!
2007-04-01 01:29:07 - dugcarr1: only rules u claim i broke "Any form of collusion between opponents must be announced beforehand in the game chat,"
2007-04-01 01:29:28 - dugcarr1: there was no COLLUSION BETWEEN 2 players!
2007-04-01 01:30:05 - dugcarr1: there was me TALKING only, so
2007-04-01 01:30:10 - dugcarr1: 1) NO COLLUTION
2007-04-01 01:30:23 - dugcarr1: 2) NO MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS
2007-04-01 01:31:10 - dugcarr1: your only 2 rules,, and i didnt break them.........PROVE IT,,, sighting specific examples
2007-04-01 05:47:40 - wicked: if you have a complaint, please contact the admin via the contact page
2007-04-01 14:21:48 - dugcarr1: I CANOT CONTACT ANYONE AND WAS GIVIN NO EXPLAINATION OR EMAIL OR PM

2007-04-01 14:25:39 - dugcarr1: i emailed CC 5 days ago and was not emailed back a explanation
2007-04-01 14:26:33 - dugcarr1: and for those of u who cant see what im trying to do for it then thats to bad, maybe realy look at the big picture

2007-04-01 21:15:30 - dugcarr1: You guys are under the false impression that the scoreboard shows you who the best player is. The "best" players here have nothing to do with points. The scoreboard shows who has accumulated the most points, in order, nothing else. Doesn't rank who's "bes
2007-04-01 21:16:25 - dugcarr1: T" says wicked...

Let me just add that, believe it or not, I will also miss dugg. He may hve been notorious but the added character to our community. Too bad it had to end this way.

p.s. Could this have been avoided via a few PM's between the two of you (specifically you not the other mods considering it's a unique situation)? Everything said leaves me personally and I'm sure much of the community under the impression that you never once contacted dug. If that is true, which I'm not saying it is, then your above statement looks like complete bullshit...

[cowshrptrn]

Well, at least someone is giving decent evidence as to why dug shouldn't have been banned.

Personally, i think its lack's site and if someone's gonna go around bending rules to his liking and making a mess of the place, thus driving away customers, lack has every right to ban him. This isn't a ban on free speech, its just saying that dug is no longer welcome on this website. If a phone company cuts your service for not following their rules (ie not paying bills) they're not cutting off your free speech, just not letting you use their services.

[Molacole]

Well, at least someone is giving decent evidence as to why dug shouldn't have been banned.

Personally, i think its lack's site and if someone's gonna go around bending rules to his liking and making a mess of the place, thus driving away customers, lack has every right to ban him. This isn't a ban on free speech, its just saying that dug is no longer welcome on this website. If a phone company cuts your service for not following their rules (ie not paying bills) they're not cutting off your free speech, just not letting you use their services.

he was bending the rules while trying to adress a much neglected area of the website, which is the scoring system and rank. The point of rank and points is completely pointless the way things are currently set up and everyone knows this. That is why I can't blame dug especially considering it's on lacks rejected ideas list...

[joeyjordison]

all the mods do the best they can in situations like this. tho some of them can b really stubborn idiots sometimes (not mentioning any names) they do wat they think is best for the site and i can only congratulate them on doing it. i think all these polls are pointless. it happened and watever course of action they took you can bet it was the best decision that could have been made. i've got every confidence in lack and everyone who helps and people need to stop questioning them on decisions like this as they have been very plain about it. if they had given no propper explanation then criticism would be appropriate but that isn't the case

[Dmunster]

Who cares, he sounds like an ass anyway. Just play the game, have fun... If blitz takes his ranking as part of the enjoyment of the game and you're intentionally ifringing on someone elses (blitz's) enjoyment of the game then you should get banned/suspended. If you want your money back, hire a lawyer. I personally think the punishment was light.

[tahitiwahini]

Gee Molacole, somehow you seem to have missed including this in your evidence:

Last evening I went online and noticed that dugcarr1 is going on some jihad, starting a whole bunch of games with the expressed intention of throwing them. I was particularly concerned about 9 consecutive doubles games of dugcarr1 & innocent vicitim vs subjekt & tomtorresson. As I thought about the situation I refreshed the screen and suddenly dugcarr1 has 10 new open games started! He had become what is known as a griefer account, out to hurt CC as much as possible.

I stripped his premium, inactivated him, and deleted those games. That's what you have to do with griefers. I accidentally deleted a few good games because I punched in the wrong game numbers. Ooops Embarassed

Anyway, that's what happened. Totally killed the buzz from the massage.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 332#309332

But thanks for the no bs poll.

You do realize that if someone thinks what the site administrators did was 99.99999% correct that they would have to vote No in your poll, right?

If that meets the Molacole no bs standard, I'd really hate to see your bs... or can't you tell the difference either?

What we have here is a cheater, Dug, who got caught and for which he received a slap on the wrist. Instead of taking his slap on the wrist and being grateful he wasn't banned, he proceded to do everything he could think of to continue cheating (albeit he did change the precise tactics of his cheating). He convinced his friends to join him in his cheating jihad. Finally, after demonstrating super-human tolerance toward Dug, lack had enough when he saw the negative impact Dug was having on other players on this site. He ultimately did the right thing and banned Dug. The only thing I can criticize about the whole thing was how long it took to ban Dug, the only thing I regret was that some players had to be damaged by Dug before he was finally let go.

I guess because I think he should have been banned for the first incident I should have voted No in the poll since I don't agree 100% with the actions of the site administrators. They were too restrained and lenient.

[Nikolai]

Let's see...
Dugcarr1:
No multi
No secret alliance
Definite violation of fair play
Intent to multi
Intent to secret alliance

lackattack/Mod Squad
4 month PM and forum ban.

No problems thus far...

Dugcarr1:
Because I don't like the punishment, I'm going to damage the site and various particular people by throwing games.

lackattack:
Griefer. Ban.

Nope, I don't think I see any problems here. Nor do I see anything in your post, Molacole, that makes me think any different. Stop blindly believing what dug says and look at what he did.

[Beastly]

You all need to be reminded that in the process of doing his bribe, he made threats about not being exposed..

He knew what he was doing was wrong and still hasn't owned up to it!!!

He knew he was going against the rules...


So.. my ? is, if you all believe it is ok to do what dug did, are you gonna do it also? knowing full well it is wrong?

I am in full support of the Mods decision, I thought the ban for 4 months was a light sentence considering dug was here long enough to know he was trying to cheat the system.

And his reasons for doing this was because he doesn't like the point system and wasn't getting the response or attention he wanted.

[Aradhus]

Dug has been banned. These topics, of which there are too many already, accomplish nothing.

If there has to be, there should be one topic about Dug, and the others should be deleted or locked, or merge them all together.

I will say that I am disappointed Dug was banned, only because I did not get to play against him.

Other than the missed opportunity to whip his ass, I do not care either way.

Perhaps the mods could have dealt with Dug better, perhaps not. There is one thing that I do think, and that is that while Lack labeled Dug a griefer and stated that dug was out to damage the CC community, I do not think he was.

I do not think that Dug created lots of games (with the intent of losing them), to harm his partners in those games, it was not a malicious act. Dug is just inconsiderate. His intent was to give away his points.

It is his stupidity that broke him in the end.

[tahitiwahini]

Dug has been banned. These topics, of which there are too many already, accomplish nothing.

As long as there are still people (and I don't put you in this category) who think Dug did nothing against the rules these topics serve an educational purpose. Better to discuss this out in the open than for additonal players to get banned because they didn't know it was against the rules. If people think it's legal to give away your points, our job isn't done yet.

Perhaps the mods could have dealt with Dug better, perhaps not. There is one thing that I do think, and that is that while Lack labeled Dug a griefer and stated that dug was out to damage the CC community, I do not think he was.

I just don't see how you can say this. I can only imagine you don't know what Dug did or said. Or you choose to disregard what he did or said and if so then you're beyond the reach of argument.

I do not think that Dug created lots of games (with the intent of losing them), to harm his partners in those games, it was not a malicious act. Dug is just inconsiderate. His intent was to give away his points.

If I were one of his doubles partners who lost points (or would have lost points had lack not deleted the games) it would be cold comfort to me indeed to know that Dug screwed me not because he was being malicious, but because I wasn't important enough for Dug to give any thought to at all. Either it was malice or gross indifference. Either one is enough to get you banned because at the heart of the infraction is the harm done to others. These were not victimless crimes.

It is his stupidity that broke him in the end.

Can't argue with you there.

[keiths31]

My God...please no more threads or polls or whatever about dug. Let it die people.

[Aradhus]

As long as there are still people (and I don't put you in this category) who think Dug did nothing against the rules these topics serve an educational purpose. Better to discuss this out in the open than for additonal players to get banned because they didn't know it was against the rules. If people think it's legal to give away your points, our job isn't done yet.

I was referring to topics created with the hope of getting Dug's ban removed.

I just don't see how you can say this. I can only imagine you don't know what Dug did or said. Or you choose to disregard what he did or said and if so then you're beyond the reach of argument.

What the f*ck are you smoking? Seriously. Remove your head from your ass.

If I were one of his doubles partners who lost points (or would have lost points had lack not deleted the games) it would be cold comfort to me indeed to know that Dug screwed me not because he was being malicious, but because I wasn't important enough for Dug to give any thought to at all. Either it was malice or gross indifference. Either one is enough to get you banned because at the heart of the infraction is the harm done to others. These were not victimless crimes.

The point I made was about intent, not the harm caused. All you're doing is repeating yourself in these topics, over and over. I do not need to read you saying the same thing ten different ways.

Dug did wrong, innocent people were caught in the crossfire. He wasn't aiming at them.

[hendy]

f*ck the mods

[tahitiwahini]

I do not need to read you saying the same thing ten different ways.

That's right, you don't. I think you've just solved your own problem.

[chessplaya]

dont blame the mods for dug's stupid words that 4 months ban was OK why the hell did he wanted more?
this is stupid
U r stupid
everything u write down is stupid
f*ck IT I AM OUt
Cheers

[DavSav]

Gee Molacole, somehow you seem to have missed including this in your evidence:

Last evening I went online and noticed that dugcarr1 is going on some jihad, starting a whole bunch of games with the expressed intention of throwing them. I was particularly concerned about 9 consecutive doubles games of dugcarr1 & innocent vicitim vs subjekt & tomtorresson. As I thought about the situation I refreshed the screen and suddenly dugcarr1 has 10 new open games started! He had become what is known as a griefer account, out to hurt CC as much as possible.

I stripped his premium, inactivated him, and deleted those games. That's what you have to do with griefers. I accidentally deleted a few good games because I punched in the wrong game numbers. Ooops Embarassed

Anyway, that's what happened. Totally killed the buzz from the massage.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 332#309332

But thanks for the no bs poll.

You do realize that if someone thinks what the site administrators did was 99.99999% correct that they would have to vote No in your poll, right?

If that meets the Molacole no bs standard, I'd really hate to see your bs... or can't you tell the difference either?

What we have here is a cheater, Dug, who got caught and for which he received a slap on the wrist. Instead of taking his slap on the wrist and being grateful he wasn't banned, he proceded to do everything he could think of to continue cheating (albeit he did change the precise tactics of his cheating). He convinced his friends to join him in his cheating jihad. Finally, after demonstrating super-human tolerance toward Dug, lack had enough when he saw the negative impact Dug was having on other players on this site. He ultimately did the right thing and banned Dug. The only thing I can criticize about the whole thing was how long it took to ban Dug, the only thing I regret was that some players had to be damaged by Dug before he was finally let go.

I guess because I think he should have been banned for the first incident I should have voted No in the poll since I don't agree 100% with the actions of the site administrators. They were too restrained and lenient.

I am so glad we have someone taking time for well formed response

SIGN!

Dug's punishment was fair I back the mods 100% on their decision

[monkton]

from dug (in game 32397):

"2007-04-05 17:33:50 - dugcarr1: what rule did i break? everything posted on first page that i said IS TRUE.
2007-04-05 17:34:10 - dugcarr1: i still have not been contacted by the mods.
2007-04-05 17:34:36 - dugcarr1: if they told me i was breaking an unwrittin rule and to stop , i would have
2007-04-05 17:36:01 - dugcarr1: and how was i out to do as much damage as posible? i opened about 100 games,,, i EARNED every one of my points fairly. and i DID NOT know that giving away to STRANGERS was agaist the rules
2007-04-05 17:36:47 - dugcarr1: so your saying that to purposely lose a game and not try to win 100% of the time will result in being band and account cancelled with no explanation eh?
2007-04-05 17:37:22 - dugcarr1: WE all know the mods and lack are all reading this, why havt they emailed me
2007-04-05 17:38:10 - dugcarr1: and get your facts straight tinniwinni
2007-04-05 17:39:22 - dugcarr1: i only joined less then 10 games outa my about 140 games going with freinds,,, and even less then 10 were doubles. I DID THIS FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF TALKING TO THEM BECAUSE I HAD NO OTHER METHOD OF COMINACATION AT THE TIME!
2007-04-05 17:40:53 - dugcarr1: JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR,,,,,,outa my about 140 games i started with the intention of losing (WHICH I WARNED PEOPLE ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES IN FORUM) i only joined less then 10 with poepe i knew from this site.
2007-04-05 17:41:49 - dugcarr1: AND shut the f*ck up about the refund,,,,i dont give shit,, as i said 4 or 5 times now,, give it to another player or a charity.....
2007-04-05 17:42:12 - dugcarr1: and i love all these senarous about bars and sports games and shit
2007-04-05 17:42:48 - dugcarr1: keep the half a year if u want CC, but the UNUSED YEAR give to a charity."

[tahitiwahini]

from dug (in game 32397):

2007-04-05 17:36:01 - dugcarr1: and how was i out to do as much damage as posible? i opened about 100 games,,, i EARNED every one of my points fairly. and i DID NOT know that giving away to STRANGERS was agaist the rules
2007-04-05 17:36:47 - dugcarr1: so your saying that to purposely lose a game and not try to win 100% of the time will result in being band and account cancelled with no explanation eh?

Short answer: Yes. People who play to lose don't belong here, sorry. Go somewhere else and lose.

2007-04-05 17:39:22 - dugcarr1: i only joined less then 10 games outa my about 140 games going with freinds,,, and even less then 10 were doubles. I DID THIS FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF TALKING TO THEM BECAUSE I HAD NO OTHER METHOD OF COMINACATION AT THE TIME!
2007-04-05 17:40:53 - dugcarr1: JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR,,,,,,outa my about 140 games i started with the intention of losing (WHICH I WARNED PEOPLE ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES IN FORUM) i only joined less then 10 with poepe i knew from this site.

So you're admitting to 10 counts of cheating specifically to give your points to your friends....

but copping to less than 10 counts of screwing your innocent doubles partner out of his points.

Great. It only takes one count, Dug. It's unfortunate you can only be banned once.

Oh, and this communication thing. Why do you need more than one game open in order to talk to your friend? He's such a good friend and yet he won't tell you what his email address is? And Dug how do we still keep hearing from you? You're friends keep posting your every utterance to the forums. It's like you haven't been banned yet. What are going to do when you deadbeat out of all your active games?

2007-04-05 17:41:49 - dugcarr1: AND shut the f*ck up about the refund,,,,i dont give shit,, as i said 4 or 5 times now,, give it to another player or a charity.....
2007-04-05 17:42:12 - dugcarr1: and i love all these senarous about bars and sports games and shit
2007-04-05 17:42:48 - dugcarr1: keep the half a year if u want CC, but the UNUSED YEAR give to a charity."

Actually, I never said anything about your request for a refund because I never took it seriously. Sorry dude, thought it was a joke.

[tahitiwahini]

Dug's down to 5 games remaining and then he will just fade away....

We certainly will miss more fraudulent games like this once Dug is gone. The level of sportsmanship on display here is simply breath-taking. And I have to admit that in those parts where Dug says how sorry he is for doing what he did and expresses remorse and regret for what he did -- well, let's just say I'm glad there was a box of Kleenex nearby me as I read these. It's heart-rending, I tell you!

For your reading pleasure, more musings from Dug:

2007-03-29 16:42:42 - dugcarr1: i belive were evn now sir
2007-03-29 16:58:54 - monkton: ha - i can't keep track, but i'll consider your debt paid
2007-03-30 19:56:56 - dugcarr1: post what i asked u to for me please in the threds about me
2007-03-31 13:09:07 - dugcarr1: losing every single game is fun,,,like god,, i dont know who to let win here,,, trying to give make the high ranking players points but i owe u a favore monk
2007-03-31 13:09:54 - dugcarr1: maybe ill just even this out
2007-03-31 13:42:32 - monkton: i don't want to steal points from painbrain unfairly though. i would like to fairly take some points from both of you though!
2007-04-01 18:03:45 - dugcarr1: lol in a reel game that would be unkilly, i could kill both of u if thats what u want
2007-04-01 19:53:05 - monkton: of course i never WANT to get killed...but i do enjoy a deserved win
2007-04-01 22:23:59 - monkton: damn...that didn't go as i'd planned
2007-04-03 10:02:49 - monkton: i was really hoping you didn't have a set...
2007-04-03 11:26:43 - dugcarr1: bettrer hop e u do
2007-04-03 12:11:50 - monkton: hmmm - i guess you couldn't resist an easy layup. i thought you were quitting this game!
2007-04-03 13:18:15 - dugcarr1: ok u win,,,,,, just wanted to see if i could make a comeback.take it down
2007-04-03 13:25:22 - monkton: hell - i'll take points anywhere i can get 'em
2007-04-03 16:12:49 - dugcarr1: why.... then were will u be with points?
2007-04-03 16:20:08 - monkton: excellent point
2007-04-03 17:32:29 - monkton: i'll be a better person if i have more points?
2007-04-03 18:00:43 - monkton: are you having fun toying with me?
2007-04-03 18:01:22 - dugcarr1: going to keep this game going for a bit incase i nned to talk to someone through here,,,,you win in the end though,,,,ty
2007-04-03 18:03:39 - monkton: ok
2007-04-03 19:16:43 - subjekt: Go buddy....lol...free dugcarr1 !!!!
2007-04-03 19:39:05 - monkton: i see he's got some support on the forums. there should be a march on washington

2007-03-29 06:11:38 - DanOfWar: Hi everyone, enjoy your game
2007-03-29 22:29:07 - dugcarr1: why the f*ck was my account cancelled
2007-03-30 02:12:09 - SlickChrisDruler: Your account was really cancelled? That's so bogus.
2007-03-30 11:05:53 - Donkey: I'd ask for my money back if I were you. You got screwed.
2007-03-30 16:30:47 - dugcarr1: post what I said in game 313473 on forum under my name please, mine is cut off
2007-03-30 16:32:46 - dugcarr1: see my postings,, and say somthing about the point system then dan
2007-03-30 16:39:31 - Donkey: I thought you said you were going to give all you points away dug...
2007-03-30 16:46:24 - dugcarr1: start bitching when u see me win a game
2007-03-30 16:46:32 - dugcarr1: post what I said in game 313473 on forum under my name please, mine is cut off
2007-03-30 16:47:21 - Donkey: eh??
2007-03-30 16:47:45 - Donkey: I know yours is cut off, I've read the forum.
2007-03-30 16:48:27 - Donkey: What kind of point system do you think would serve CC better?
2007-03-30 16:54:33 - dugcarr1: read what i said in forum,,,,,,why are points double wachias? i canot be more then 0-10% better then him
2007-03-30 16:54:56 - dugcarr1: people like u that get low ranked score partners abuse the broken system
2007-03-30 16:55:20 - dugcarr1: u bend the rules so do i,,, but i get banned for not breaking any
2007-03-30 16:59:32 - Donkey: Check my games b4 making branding me dug. I join games with anyone. Myrlander is a close friend of mine, and new to CC.
2007-03-30 17:01:20 - Donkey: I play alot of dubs games with my brother Greycloak (2500+points)... Tell me how I'm bending the rules?
2007-03-30 17:03:38 - Donkey: All I wanted was a reason to be on your side in this, but you came out with these insults. I don't think what you did requires the punishment you got, but you aren't going to find any support from someone you just insulted.
2007-03-30 19:59:07 - dugcarr1: said like u,,,, ment do what your doing this game only do to your score and your partners,,, no insults ment sir,,, i dont know u well enough

2007-03-29 21:04:33 - dugcarr1: i dont know which 1 of u to let win,,,,,if the other ever trashed me in forums let me know,,,,, and the other may win
2007-03-30 00:12:17 - schmoozeinc: guys i enjoyed playin here but this is my last log out. i sorry but i wont be takin any more moves on cc.
2007-03-30 17:44:01 - dugcarr1: smart decision,, ty for your suport
2007-03-30 17:45:00 - dugcarr1: post what I said in game 313473 on forum under my name please, mine is cut off
2007-03-30 20:06:38 - dugcarr1: post what I said in game 313473 on forum under my name please, mine is cut off
2007-04-01 14:16:58 - PainBrain: Hey Dugg I thought you wanted your points gone. If you kill me and schmoozeinc deadbeats you win
2007-04-01 18:05:04 - dugcarr1: plead your case, in forum, u have 1 turn
2007-04-01 18:16:43 - PainBrain: I'm not gonna beg for your points. Kill me and take the points.
2007-04-03 13:11:53 - dugcarr1: ill think about it
2007-04-03 19:14:24 - subjekt: GO buddy !!!
2007-04-03 21:54:38 - dugcarr1: lol

[Molacole]

Gee Molacole, somehow you seem to have missed including this in your evidence:

Last evening I went online and noticed that dugcarr1 is going on some jihad, starting a whole bunch of games with the expressed intention of throwing them. I was particularly concerned about 9 consecutive doubles games of dugcarr1 & innocent vicitim vs subjekt & tomtorresson. As I thought about the situation I refreshed the screen and suddenly dugcarr1 has 10 new open games started! He had become what is known as a griefer account, out to hurt CC as much as possible.

I stripped his premium, inactivated him, and deleted those games. That's what you have to do with griefers. I accidentally deleted a few good games because I punched in the wrong game numbers. Ooops Embarassed

Anyway, that's what happened. Totally killed the buzz from the massage.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 332#309332

But thanks for the no bs poll.

how is asking for a fair or unfair answer biased? I didn't include it because I quoted dug openly admitting that he was going to do it and his explination of why he was going to do it... is that not enough? Work on your comprehension skills and you'll see that I didn't leave that part of the situation out. Stop acting like I'm trying to hide something...

You do realize that if someone thinks what the site administrators did was 99.99999% correct that they would have to vote No in your poll, right?

If that meets the Molacole no bs standard, I'd really hate to see your bs... or can't you tell the difference either?

I've learned from discussing things with you that you're not the brightest bulb on the christmas tree so let me try and explain... this might be a long read for you so read it a couple times or until you fully understand everything before opening your mouth.

I thought the approach the mods took was extremely unfair, but couldn't say he shouldn't be banned. I didn't agree with not contacting dug and explaining anything to him while just flat out banning the guy. This is a unique situation we have here and the way it was handled leaves me with less faith in the mods and their banning process... My problem is how they can catch a multi account twice and not even ban them, but yet dug tries to bend the rules to get a game going against blitz and he gets instantly banned... The problem I see is how somebody who is an avid player and has never once cheated before gets banned while others who cheat on multiple occassions get a slap on the wrist and continue to play.

What we have here is a cheater, Dug, who got caught and for which he received a slap on the wrist. Instead of taking his slap on the wrist and being grateful he wasn't banned, he proceded to do everything he could think of to continue cheating (albeit he did change the precise tactics of his cheating). He convinced his friends to join him in his cheating jihad. Finally, after demonstrating super-human tolerance toward Dug, lack had enough when he saw the negative impact Dug was having on other players on this site. He ultimately did the right thing and banned Dug. The only thing I can criticize about the whole thing was how long it took to ban Dug, the only thing I regret was that some players had to be damaged by Dug before he was finally let go.

you consider taking away the community from this website a slap on the wrist? An actualy slap on the wrist is when you create a multiple account, boost your score up a few hundred or even more points then finally get caught, keep your points and receive a warning. That is what is known as a slap on the wrist in the Conquer Club community.

I guess because I think he should have been banned for the first incident I should have voted No in the poll since I don't agree 100% with the actions of the site administrators. They were too restrained and lenient.

Dug's punishment was fair I back the mods 100% on their decision
Dug's punishment was too harsh I can NOT back the mods 100% on their decision

those are the two options you were given. It wasn't about what you think should've been done or not done. It was wether or not you felt the mods actions were FAIR or not. I personally don't care what you think should've happened or how he should've been treated. I was simply asking if you though it was fair or not. Again read and learn to understand before posting.

everything you post is so easy to tear apart... why do you bother posting before you can even collect your thoughts?

[NanoSpores]

who fucking cares?
'I can't play risk online for 4 whole months':-({|=
so boring. put on a shirt you dirty farmer.

[tahitiwahini]

Dug's punishment was fair I back the mods 100% on their decision
Dug's punishment was too harsh I can NOT back the mods 100% on their decision

those are the two options you were given.

Which explains succinctly why it's a bs poll. The only purpose of putting the 100% in there is to skew the results toward your favored outcome.

Come on, even little timmy can see that, and he lives in a bubble and doesn't even comprehend how things in life actually work.

By the way, little timmy is still waiting..... for the name of a single player who has left this site over Dug's banning.

[Molacole]

it's not biased at all. It comes down to morals... you either think it was fair or you don't. Where is the grey area in fair and unfair? In right and wrong there's plenty of grey area about fairness...

[Nikolai]

My problem is how they can catch a multi account twice and not even ban them, but yet dug tries to bend the rules to get a game going against blitz and he gets instantly banned... The problem I see is how somebody who is an avid player and has never once cheated before gets banned while others who cheat on multiple occassions get a slap on the wrist and continue to play.

you consider taking away the community from this website a slap on the wrist? An actualy slap on the wrist is when you create a multiple account, boost your score up a few hundred or even more points then finally get caught, keep your points and receive a warning. That is what is known as a slap on the wrist in the Conquer Club community.

I'm trying to remember the guy's name... JTKALLTHEWAY, right? Colonel with a multi who was banned. Stop whining.
oh, and for the record... dug didn't try to bend the rules to get a game going against Blitz, he broke the rules attempting to get an opportunity to sabotage Blitz's games by having one of Blitz's teammates suicide against Blitz, for the sole purpose of making Blitz lose points because Blitz had a higher score than he did.

[Beastly]

who fucking cares?
'I can't play risk online for 4 whole months':-({|=
so boring. put on a shirt you dirty farmer.

it was a 4 month ban on the forum and pm... not the game!!!
thats what he was crying about.

[quote="Molacole"]:lol:


it's not biased at all. It comes down to morals... you either think it was fair or you don't. Where is the grey area in fair and unfair? In right and wrong there's plenty of grey area about fairness...[/


Even dug knew he was doing wrong when he was doing it.
He made threats about anybody finding out.