Cheap tactics to miss a turn intentionally?

[ljex]

I was recently in a game where the other team Intentionally missed a turn so that instead of being eliminated by killer neutrals their teammate could kill them come their turn. So my question is do you think this is cheap tactics. Me and my teammates all thought it was while the other team thought it wasn't, i would like to hear the communities thoughts.

[jefjef]

Are you confusing Cheap with sheep?

Yes an intentional miss is cheap tactics. Many use it as a strategy. Often as a last ditch strategy. Occasionally that kind of crap pays off for them.

[Commander62890]

haha I TOLD you that you were spelling 'cheap' wrong...

[ljex]

haha I TOLD you that you were spelling 'cheap' wrong...

Im sorry...fixed

[eddie2]

maybe try a c and a about it i know they have just started warning some players that intentionally miss a opening turn. this is a bit similar abusing the system.

[lord voldemort]

hmm interesting...
ive always been a strong supporter that missing a turn wont give you an advantage...though this could very well be an example of where it can

[perchorin]

hmm interesting...
ive always been a strong supporter that missing a turn wont give you an advantage...though this could very well be an example of where it can

That's my take on it as well. Interesting anyway and I don't think you can call it cheap as it really could be a winning strategy (unlike the usual cases).

[jackal31]

maybe try a c and a about it i know they have just started warning some players that intentionally miss a opening turn. this is a bit similar abusing the system.

Actually, I think abusing the system would be avoiding to finish a game because of unsportsmanship. In this case, if there is a particular strategy being implemented to help that team win, then it should be recognized as a perfectly good strat.

The map founders are including more resetting neutrals, so that should bring forth new strategies too because of the situation presented here. It wouldnt make sense to commit "suicide."

So, to sum it up, it is during the process that this needs to be reviewed. And since the process was completed in a sportsmanlike way (not prolonging the game), then I find the ruling stands as called.
(this is for you NFL fans)

[Timminz]

Sounds smart to me. Also, missing a single turn intentionally, is not against any rules, nor should it be.

[Thuggalatus25]

Hello everyone =) Sounds to me like a clear exploitation of this sites rules. The miss a turn system I'm sure was implemented to prevent someone from simply leavinga game and/or from preventing four year games lol. If missing a turn was an acceptable use of the system here don't you think there would be a button or tab the said "skip turn". As I am new here I could be missing that action on the game layout but I'm pretty sure I'm not. Either way you certainly couldn't miss a turn tactically in a live person to person match be it tournament or family friendly sit down.

[Timminz]

Either way you certainly couldn't miss a turn tactically in a liver person to person match be it tournament or family friendly sit down.

There are also no killer neutrals in a "liver person to person match".

[Thuggalatus25]

I don't know what that is yet sorry lol. Either way I don't see how that makes a difference. The fact still remains, if it was an intended part of the game to miss a turn, even one turn there would be an option other than simple making everyone wait until your time expired. Usually when someone is late or a no show to anything it tends to have negative results unless there is an intentionaly exploitation going on i.e. court or work

[Timminz]

There is actually a method to skip turns coded into the site. It's the "Skip This Game" link right next to the "Start Turn" button.

[ljex]

hmm interesting...
ive always been a strong supporter that missing a turn wont give you an advantage...though this could very well be an example of where it can

It without a doubt changed the game in their favor...missing the turn changed it from an even game to me having to win a 10 vs 1,1,9,1 or something like that for them not to pick up 5 cards when cashes were worth 20

[AAFitz]

Habitually missing turns, could very well be considered a gross abuse of game, however, an occasional miss, especially one where the person condemns his team to death, cant possibly be considered abuse. If he makes a move that knowingly loses the game, its as arguable that its throwing a game.

Juries dont usually like defendants that dont testify against themselves either, but that doesnt mean its not their right. I think its hard to argue a person has to make a turn that automatically loses the game for them. But again, using it as a habitual strategy is really not sportsmanlike either.

Cheap is in the eye of the beholder. One can just as easily admire the move as admonish it from different perspectives.

If your choice is to lose an important game by making a move, or not make that move and have hope, what do you do? Are we really forced to lose the game on purpose? Perhaps, perhaps not.

[hotfire]

this should be tagged good strategy and not cheap tactics in this case......maybe add a teammate killer tag in if it upsets u so

[eddie2]

maybe try a c and a about it i know they have just started warning some players that intentionally miss a opening turn. this is a bit similar abusing the system.

Actually, I think abusing the system would be avoiding to finish a game because of unsportsmanship. In this case, if there is a particular strategy being implemented to help that team win, then it should be recognized as a perfectly good strat.

The map founders are including more resetting neutrals, so that should bring forth new strategies too because of the situation presented here. It wouldnt make sense to commit "suicide."

So, to sum it up, it is during the process that this needs to be reviewed. And since the process was completed in a sportsmanlike way (not prolonging the game), then I find the ruling stands as called.
(this is for you NFL fans)

plz read this.
[url]
viewtopic.php?f=239&t=104403&hilit=city+mogul&start=45#p2371496[/url]

Now if it is proven that they use this tactic (that is very rare to happen)then it is abuse.

think of it this way this game is based on the board game of risk. If eight of you sat down at a table 2 play the game and one player said im not taking my shot.(would you allow it)
I think no you would not it is a game and there are rules to go by in the game.

if it is found that he missed in this game while playing other games then it is abusing the game engine and should be dealt with in a c and a report. like king a says in the thread above.

stop intentionally missing turns or missing the deployment stage for any tactical reason. Play the game as it is intended to be

[ljex]

Habitually missing turns, could very well be considered a gross abuse of game, however, an occasional miss, especially one where the person condemns his team to death, cant possibly be considered abuse. If he makes a move that knowingly loses the game, its as arguable that its throwing a game.

Juries dont usually like defendants that dont testify against themselves either, but that doesnt mean its not their right. I think its hard to argue a person has to make a turn that automatically loses the game for them. But again, using it as a habitual strategy is really not sportsmanlike either.

Cheap is in the eye of the beholder. One can just as easily admire the move as admonish it from different perspectives.

If your choice is to lose an important game by making a move, or not make that move and have hope, what do you do? Are we really forced to lose the game on purpose? Perhaps, perhaps not.

If he had missed his turn...it would have been an even game if not slight advantage to the other team, however missing the turn basically made them win the game

[ljex]

maybe try a c and a about it i know they have just started warning some players that intentionally miss a opening turn. this is a bit similar abusing the system.

Actually, I think abusing the system would be avoiding to finish a game because of unsportsmanship. In this case, if there is a particular strategy being implemented to help that team win, then it should be recognized as a perfectly good strat.

The map founders are including more resetting neutrals, so that should bring forth new strategies too because of the situation presented here. It wouldnt make sense to commit "suicide."

So, to sum it up, it is during the process that this needs to be reviewed. And since the process was completed in a sportsmanlike way (not prolonging the game), then I find the ruling stands as called.
(this is for you NFL fans)

plz read this.
[url]
viewtopic.php?f=239&t=104403&hilit=city+mogul&start=45#p2371496[/url]

Now if it is proven that they use this tactic (that is very rare to happen)then it is abuse.

think of it this way this game is based on the board game of risk. If eight of you sat down at a table 2 play the game and one player said im not taking my shot.(would you allow it)
I think no you would not it is a game and there are rules to go by in the game.

if it is found that he missed in this game while playing other games then it is abusing the game engine and should be dealt with in a c and a report. like king a says in the thread above.

stop intentionally missing turns or missing the deployment stage for any tactical reason. Play the game as it is intended to be

Sry for double posting

I dont care for C&A as its not necessary...the reason for this thread is that in the game chat i said that their play was cheap tactics and that created an argument between the two teams. Just want to know who the community sides with

[tdans]

COME ON MODS... USE your Ban hammer and Ban the dagum Deadbeaten son of a guppie...

[Thuggalatus25]

Well I'm against it because like Eddie said, there is no way anyone would allow it in a sit down game regardless of "killer neutrals" which we do get, by the way when occasionally at house games a player can't stay and finish their game.

[eddie2]

Well I'm against it because like Eddie said, there is no way anyone would allow it in a sit down game regardless of "killer neutrals" which we do get, by the way when occasionally at house games a player can't stay and finish their game.

then that is unavoidable. they have 2 leave but if they were 2 go and come back 2 play 2 mins later would you not say something 2 them.

I dont care for C&A as its not necessary...the reason for this thread is that in the game chat i said that their play was cheap tactics and that created an argument between the two teams. Just want to know who the community sides with

i don't think it is a cheap tactic i think it is outright cheating. and think you should update the poll 2 allow this remark.

[TheSpaceCowboy]

Knowingly missing a turn, when it is well within your power to take said turn, for a reason that amounts to the gaining of an advantage or the stifling of advantage for the other team violates the spirit of the game. It alters the symmetrical and intended rotating system of fair play in a standard or team game. In freestyle, of course, all bets are pretty much off.

It does not, however, violate the rules of the game or of the site. In an ideal world, we would all have a moral code that made us make the right choices in all areas of life. However, as we all know, this is not the case.

This looks to be a matter of conscience. You cannot make someone feel guilty for something they fundamentally do not consider to be wrong. In a sense, the game in reference shows a crucial moment where a team used a tactic within the rules but perhaps outside the spirit of fair play.

Your best bet might be to take the approach of saying that you thought they were better than that. There is no other recourse, I do not think, other than to perhaps alter public opinion in a thread like this. Still, I do not think you will find enough people to join your side, ljex, no matter how right it may be in theory and in spirit.

The subtle twisting of the game by missing a critical turn on purpose. . .well, no one is going to care much, and the spirit of the game suffers, but I do not think there are enough purists out there to sway public opinion to your side. All you may be able to do is say that you have always respected those players and had hoped they were above finding loopholes that are borderline fair play issues to secure victory.

[netspyman]

I took my turn and killed his other guys to stop him from cashing in for 25 troops which would have hurt up. I used the killer nuertal on that move as i knew he would be dead. In my game play i basicly killed him as i knew he would be dead. I think this is cheap tactic to miss a turn as that just gave his cards to his teammates. To justify that move like they did is just wrong as the site rules state:Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits. What he did is "intentional deadbeating" by missing his turn. Thats just my opinion.

NETSPYMAN

[stahrgazer]

I was recently in a game where the other team Intentionally missed a turn so that instead of being eliminated by killer neutrals their teammate could kill them come their turn. So my question is do you think this is cheap tactics. Me and my teammates all thought it was while the other team thought it wasn't, i would like to hear the communities thoughts.

I think all forms of intentionally missing a turn should be considered cheap tactics.

Think about what you would do if you were playing a friend across a board game at home: would you agree that he could skip a turn when it's to his advantage to do so, or would you say, "No, play or forfeit?"

Most games of any type that enable a skip-turn option come with some sort of PENALTY for doing so. On CC, there is no penalty...the player will even get the troops he missed in the prior turn, to use to reinforce areas after he finally does take a turn. I think it's wrong. I think missed turns should have a penalty, such as: you miss one turn, you not only don't get the missed-turn deploys to fortify with; but you also get one less troop to deploy on your next turn (if it would have been 3 troops, it's now 2 troops.)

If CC programmed in some sort of penalty for missing a turn, then I'd consider it a viable tactic, one that CC planned for when creating the program. They don't, and at least in the case of Freestyle, they took out a 'cheat' people were using that was considered "not a cheat" for many many months until suddenly it was a cheat enough to reprogram the system. I don't get it.. if it wasn't a cheat or cheap tactics all along, why did they have to change it? And, I think intentionally missing turns falls in line with the old "freestyle double turn" - it'll be accepted until the wrong persons get it used against them, and then it will be changed.