_sabotage_ wrote:JamesKer1 wrote:So.... I read through the whole shabang of threads and posts in the super secret mod forums, and there was some very interesting stuff that I won't go into too much detail about. But I came here because of the below quote.
owenshooter wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:owenshooter wrote: Blah-Jésus noir
More blah.
(kind of like you speaking freely for the site owner, declaring he said things he has never publicly stated/posted)
Here's what I've gathered from the progress of this suggestion behind the scenes.
It was brought up in the Suggestions Team super secret forums. Mets was a major proponent, and the Suggestions Team back then (spiesr, chapcrap, myself, and DoomYoshi) also approved of it. bigWham and blakebowling took no issue with it, and bW went so far as supporting it and guiding the discussion of implementation. We worked out a few kinks and set some limitations, such as one use per day, used after round limit 10, premium only, whatever. It was then sent to the General super secret forums for all the mods to see to collect criticism and ideas for improvement/potential abuses and issues, where it quickly blew up in all of our faces, included a very very heated discussion, and the end. No more.
Not to say anything bad about the mods. They all were doing, in their minds, what they thought was best for the site. Many have retired for various reasons over the past year, and that is the only reason I'm putting this out there.
Who gave the mods a vote?
The mods don't have a vote, strictly speaking, in anything. However, once in a while if a bunch of mods filibuster something aggressively enough they will get their way. Many of the site's functions require volunteer labour, and ultimately the owners and admins don't want too piss off too many of the site volunteers at the same time, because it can lead to mass resignations and chaos.
JK1's account is pretty much accurate. The Suggestions team was pretty solidly behind implementing the resign button a year ago. There was also soft support from others. There was a hard core of old-fashioned mods, however, who filibustered the issue and got it stopped.
Most of those mods, ironically, have since resigned. Getting their way obviously didn't raise their loyalty levels any, as I suspected it wouldn't. If the same issue was being brought forward today, I don't think there would be any great opposition. Unfortunately, once BW has passed on to a new idea, he rarely returns to an old one, so I don't know how long it might take before this gets on his radar again. It's very unfortunate.
If it were some great technical hurdle, I'd understand, but it's like telling a Texas hold 'em tournament player that he must stay when he's chip less.
There are some minor possibilities for abuse, but they've all been thoroughly addressed in the many years that this suggestion has bounced around the Suggestions forum, and all the potential problems have simple solutions.
For instance:
- The first and biggest potential abuse that has always been cited is that a resign button could be used for massive point dumping. Simple solution: put a minimum time period, such as 72 hours, that a game has to be played before someone can resign.
- Some tournaments score players according to the kill order. (7 points to the winner, 6 points to the last one to die, 5 point to be the second-last to die, etc., as one example.) It has been said that allowing resignations will distort the kill order and corrupt the scores of some tournaments. Simple solution: allow tournament organisers to disable the resign button for tournament games, if their scoring system requires it.
- Potential abuse in clan games is that a player who knows he's about to die will resign in order to pass his terts to another team member and/or to prevent his spoils from falling into enemy hands. Simple solution: don't allow individual members of a team to quit. Either the whole team resigns, or none of them.
