Random map is not random

by **Crazyirishman** on Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:40 am

So recently I have made multiple games using the random map function, and it turns out some of them happened to be the same map. This is not the first time this has occured when I made 6-10 games using the random map function. This obviously cannot be random because with the 200+ maps available the same one should NEVER show in such a short amount of games, and this needs to be fixed immediately as myself and other CCers are being deprived of playing maps that are truly chosen randomly. Team CC fixed the dice so now they should focus on fixing 'random map' so that it is now random.

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:42 am

I think they should add a "No Map" option to help address this.

by **Army of GOD** on Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:54 am

Personally, I think the site owner, lerkatterk, is favoring premium members and higher ranking players, giving them better maps.

by **natty dread** on Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:05 am

I have 2 gigabytes of statistics on random maps on my hard drive, which prove that they are obviously not random. I can't post them however because the cat ate my hard drive.

by **jleonnn** on Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:19 am

Team CC fixed the dice? I wasn't aware, really. I'm not really as active as I used to be. But I heard the dice is affected by "atmospheric noise", whatever that is.

by **sherkaner** on Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:29 am

Expecting randomness is hard.
But the chance of 6 different maps when choosing random each time is
199*198*197*196*195/200^5 = 0.927, so about 7.3 % chance of having a map at least twice. For 10 maps, the chance is a lot larger (20.4%). So it happens, just not a lot.

by **AndyDufresne** on Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:12 pm

sherkaner wrote:Expecting randomness is hard.
But the chance of 6 different maps when choosing random each time is
199*198*197*196*195/200^5 = 0.927, so about 7.3 % chance of having a map at least twice. For 10 maps, the chance is a lot larger (20.4%). So it happens, just not a lot.

Sherkaner, I see your mathematical statistics, and raise you...well...hm,

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--Andy

by **phantomzero** on Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:41 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
sherkaner wrote:Expecting randomness is hard.
But the chance of 6 different maps when choosing random each time is
199*198*197*196*195/200^5 = 0.927, so about 7.3 % chance of having a map at least twice. For 10 maps, the chance is a lot larger (20.4%). So it happens, just not a lot.

Sherkaner, I see your mathematical statistics, and raise you...well...hm,

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--Andy

The monkey FTW!

All this random talk is nuts. As Sherkaner has demonstrated almost anything is possible while still being random.

by **Teflon Kris** on Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:49 pm

phantomzero wrote:As Sherkaner has demonstrated almost anything is possible while still being random.

Agreed - if anything didn't happen sometimes it wouldn't be random.

by **AndyDufresne** on Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:07 pm

Crazyirishman wrote:So recently I have made multiple games using the random map function, and it turns out some of them happened to be the same map. This is not the first time this has occured when I made 6-10 games using the random map function. This obviously cannot be random because with the 200+ maps available the same one should NEVER show in such a short amount of games, and this needs to be fixed immediately as myself and other CCers are being deprived of playing maps that are truly chosen randomly. Team CC fixed the dice so now they should focus on fixing 'random map' so that it is now random.

I think the real solution here...is to create more maps! So get into the Foundry and give feedback on some of the excellent maps currently in development so they can join the pool and make it larger: viewforum.php?f=241

--Andy

by **BigBallinStalin** on Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:12 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
Crazyirishman wrote:So recently I have made multiple games using the random map function, and it turns out some of them happened to be the same map. This is not the first time this has occured when I made 6-10 games using the random map function. This obviously cannot be random because with the 200+ maps available the same one should NEVER show in such a short amount of games, and this needs to be fixed immediately as myself and other CCers are being deprived of playing maps that are truly chosen randomly. Team CC fixed the dice so now they should focus on fixing 'random map' so that it is now random.

I think the real solution here...is to create more maps! So get into the Foundry and give feedback on some of the excellent maps currently in development so they can join the pool and make it larger: viewforum.php?f=241

--Andy

Make more maps? No! This "random" map problem is a sign of bad things to come. Don your tin foil and/or banana hats, gentlemen.

by **AndyDufresne** on Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:21 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Make more maps? No! This "random" map problem is a sign of bad things to come. Don your tin foil and/or banana hats, gentlemen.

You can't go wrong with more.

Exhibit A:

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Exhibit B:

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Here is a hat for you, BBS

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--Andy

by **oss spy** on Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:59 pm

The first post let me know that somebody has no idea how probability works.

by **owenshooter** on Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:45 pm

in all seriousness, i seem to get suckfest maps when i play the random setting...-el Jesus negro

by **greenoaks** on Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:27 pm

jleonnn wrote:I heard the dice is affected by "atmospheric noise", whatever that is.

farts

by **perchorin** on Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:05 pm

I got WWII Eastern Front three times in a row on random recently. Hell that's a win in my book, could have been Forbidden City or Northwest Passage or even *gulp* Hive :sick: