Hostage Taking?

[stealth99]

Hi,

I'm in a game now where a player typed the following in our game chat:

2010-04-29 10:03:58 - : Green, I can't do anything against yellow, so I'm turning my focus on you. I will only stop attacking you if you stop attacking myself and blue, and you start attacking yellow.
2010-04-29 10:06:40 - Fair warning, I will be moving a good chunk of my I-win stack to our border and I will be attacking you with it. It will expose the cupcake to yellow and it will be hurting you.
2010-04-29 10:08:46 - : Yellow is obiously in the lead. I can't speak for blue, but I'm sure blue would be willing to turn his focus onto only yellow.
2010-04-29 10:10:41 - : If yellow gets Conquer Man from blue, he will be getting a +5 bonus and you will be enjoying the spoils of 2nd place.
2010-04-29 10:12:43 - : sorry for my misspellings, it's early in the morning and I haven't had my caffeine

I have had an ongoing truce with yellow. Pink in his panick now says he's going to unleash on me and he will not stop unless I take my troops and do with them exactly as he states. He's told me who I can and can't attack. In addition to threatening to come after me, he also threatens to leave the cupcake poorly protected so it will fall into the hands of yellow, my ultimate enemy. Basically this guy is threatening to suicide and throw the game yellow's way if I don't let him manipulate me.

Is this a rule violation?

IF so, what do I do now?

Thanks in advance.

[SirSebstar]

you may lie, threathen and do whatever you like in game chat to manipulate your opponants and their actions. You e.g. allied yourself with yellow
However, remember all alliances are temporary, and only as long as they are advantagious to you.

now if blue would go to win the game and not kill your last territ. that would be abuse. Blue getting mad at you not attacking the gameleader (because you are allied), and then suiciding into you. That is justified (not fun, but understandable)

sorry, you will just have to work it out. my advice, play the game as you would like to play it, and try to ignore all the extra chat you do not enjoy, dont let him get to you.
regards,
SirSebstar

[stealth99]

you may lie, threathen and do whatever you like in game chat to manipulate your opponants and their actions. You e.g. allied yourself with yellow
However, remember all alliances are temporary, and only as long as they are advantagious to you.

now if blue would go to win the game and not kill your last territ. that would be abuse. Blue getting mad at you not attacking the gameleader (because you are allied), and then suiciding into you. That is justified (not fun, but understandable)

sorry, you will just have to work it out. my advice, play the game as you would like to play it, and try to ignore all the extra chat you do not enjoy, dont let him get to you.
regards,
SirSebstar

Thanks for your response. This certainly will not bother me in the least if it isn't a rule violation. But I do know that suiciding is indeed a violation of CC rules so how is it you don't see suiciding as a problem? I'm not sure the relevance with the alliance. You mention it a couple of times as part justification for his actions.

He is picking a player independent of an alliance, telling said player he wants complete control of the troops or he's going to suicide into that player causing them both a loss. In my opinion it's exactly the same as above, and you feel certain this is ok? And I'm not challenging you,I truly don't know the answer. I thought it was prohibited but that is just a guess.

Thanks again

[TeeGee]

A game number might help here

[SirSebstar]

teegee its game Game 6596374

and @ stealth99.

There is no "rule" against trying to get revenge/"suiciding".
I think you try to refer to Unwritten Rules
Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits. to be found here http://www.conquerclub.com/public.php?mode=rules

The player is highly annoying, yes. The player is threathing to suicide into you, yes. Yellow is calling it bluff. I agree that it might be bluff, or it might be his real intention. The unwriten rules apply to gross abuse in my view. This means setting up games you have no intention of really playing= point dumping= against the rules. Being pissed of at a player and then ruining his chances of winning the game, and incidently also ruining his own chances is however allowed. Its it not fun, nor good sportmansship, so you can safely rate him jusifieably low, maybe even foe him if you dont like his playstyle, but its not against the rules.

next question would be, so now what? what do i do to pacify this dude... well i am not sure if its too late already. If blue does take it out on you, maybe yellow will be a gentleman and kill blue for you and let you regrow your strenght and then duke it out. Or more likely, blue tries to take you out, fails and yellow finishes you off and then blue and wins the game.. Either way, you are in the game and you have to make your own calls. |Dont let someone else come between you and your good game experiance. I aint saying its okay. Blue is behaving like a knowit all bully, but being just annoying (as opposed to grossly annoying and abusing) is just plain... well annoying. let it go. thats all the advice i can give you.
i am however pretty sure this is NOT a violation of the CC rules though. thats your question and thats my reply.
regards

[eddie2]

teegee its game Game 6596374

and @ stealth99.

There is no "rule" against trying to get revenge/"suiciding".
I think you try to refer to Unwritten Rules
Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits. to be found here http://www.conquerclub.com/public.php?mode=rules

The player is highly annoying, yes. The player is threathing to suicide into you, yes. Yellow is calling it bluff. I agree that it might be bluff, or it might be his real intention. The unwriten rules apply to gross abuse in my view. This means setting up games you have no intention of really playing= point dumping= against the rules. Being pissed of at a player and then ruining his chances of winning the game, and incidently also ruining his own chances is however allowed. Its it not fun, nor good sportmansship, so you can safely rate him jusifieably low, maybe even foe him if you dont like his playstyle, but its not against the rules.

next question would be, so now what? what do i do to pacify this dude... well i am not sure if its too late already. If blue does take it out on you, maybe yellow will be a gentleman and kill blue for you and let you regrow your strenght and then duke it out. Or more likely, blue tries to take you out, fails and yellow finishes you off and then blue and wins the game.. Either way, you are in the game and you have to make your own calls. |Dont let someone else come between you and your good game experiance. I aint saying its okay. Blue is behaving like a knowit all bully, but being just annoying (as opposed to grossly annoying and abusing) is just plain... well annoying. let it go. thats all the advice i can give you.
i am however pretty sure this is NOT a violation of the CC rules though. thats your question and thats my reply.
regards

lol sir sibar is correct. also if you read into it properly what you said at the begining and what he is saying

you are allied with yellow

you are suicideing into him to break his bonuses

you are giving the game to yellow by not attacking him

so in other words you are stopping him from having a chance of winning so he is going to do the same to u

this happens all the time on cc if you p@ss somone off they are going to attack you.

also if you think of it he is saying help them to stop yellow or yellow has the game. this happens all the time you will truce with somone when one player is strong but if the player you have truced with gets 2 strong you need to swap your alliance.

[stealth99]

A game number might help here

I intentionally left it out. If no rule is broken then the player in question did nothing wrong and I don't want to subject someone to a forum topic questioning them for cheating if it did not occur.

Thanks just the same, I think I got my answer.

[stealth99]

teegee its game Game 6596374

and @ stealth99.

There is no "rule" against trying to get revenge/"suiciding".
I think you try to refer to Unwritten Rules
Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits. to be found here http://www.conquerclub.com/public.php?mode=rules

The player is highly annoying, yes. The player is threathing to suicide into you, yes. Yellow is calling it bluff. I agree that it might be bluff, or it might be his real intention. The unwriten rules apply to gross abuse in my view. This means setting up games you have no intention of really playing= point dumping= against the rules. Being pissed of at a player and then ruining his chances of winning the game, and incidently also ruining his own chances is however allowed. Its it not fun, nor good sportmansship, so you can safely rate him jusifieably low, maybe even foe him if you dont like his playstyle, but its not against the rules.

next question would be, so now what? what do i do to pacify this dude... well i am not sure if its too late already. If blue does take it out on you, maybe yellow will be a gentleman and kill blue for you and let you regrow your strenght and then duke it out. Or more likely, blue tries to take you out, fails and yellow finishes you off and then blue and wins the game.. Either way, you are in the game and you have to make your own calls. |Dont let someone else come between you and your good game experiance. I aint saying its okay. Blue is behaving like a knowit all bully, but being just annoying (as opposed to grossly annoying and abusing) is just plain... well annoying. let it go. thats all the advice i can give you.
i am however pretty sure this is NOT a violation of the CC rules though. thats your question and thats my reply.
regards

All great advice. I can deal. It's all good. Now that I know no rule has been broken I'm prepared to duke it out on the board and in the game chat with the head games if need be. And I may indeed lose, afterall I do lose 80% of all the other ones, it won't be a shocker. Thanks

[stealth99]

teegee its game Game 6596374

and @ stealth99.

There is no "rule" against trying to get revenge/"suiciding".
I think you try to refer to Unwritten Rules
Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits. to be found here http://www.conquerclub.com/public.php?mode=rules

The player is highly annoying, yes. The player is threathing to suicide into you, yes. Yellow is calling it bluff. I agree that it might be bluff, or it might be his real intention. The unwriten rules apply to gross abuse in my view. This means setting up games you have no intention of really playing= point dumping= against the rules. Being pissed of at a player and then ruining his chances of winning the game, and incidently also ruining his own chances is however allowed. Its it not fun, nor good sportmansship, so you can safely rate him jusifieably low, maybe even foe him if you dont like his playstyle, but its not against the rules.

next question would be, so now what? what do i do to pacify this dude... well i am not sure if its too late already. If blue does take it out on you, maybe yellow will be a gentleman and kill blue for you and let you regrow your strenght and then duke it out. Or more likely, blue tries to take you out, fails and yellow finishes you off and then blue and wins the game.. Either way, you are in the game and you have to make your own calls. |Dont let someone else come between you and your good game experiance. I aint saying its okay. Blue is behaving like a knowit all bully, but being just annoying (as opposed to grossly annoying and abusing) is just plain... well annoying. let it go. thats all the advice i can give you.
i am however pretty sure this is NOT a violation of the CC rules though. thats your question and thats my reply.
regards

lol sir sibar is correct. also if you read into it properly what you said at the begining and what he is saying

you are allied with yellow

you are suicideing into him to break his bonuses

you are giving the game to yellow by not attacking him

so in other words you are stopping him from having a chance of winning so he is going to do the same to u

this happens all the time on cc if you p@ss somone off they are going to attack you.

also if you think of it he is saying help them to stop yellow or yellow has the game. this happens all the time you will truce with somone when one player is strong but if the player you have truced with gets 2 strong you need to swap your alliance.

The issue I have with your rationalization is that when I form a truce, yes it may put someone at a disadvantage but I'm making a move to win the game. I am not giving the game to the player I truce with as you suggest. Suiciding also puts someone at a disadvantage but the difference here is you have to abandon attempts to win to make that move and that is morally wrong as far as some players are concerned. I'm fine with it if no rule is broken.