Why does CC use RANDOM.org?

[spearfish]

Doesn't the transfer of numbers make it easier to hack it, or at least know what's coming up?

Meanwhile there's a random number generator built into PHP, here are my results from using it:
1000000 trials: 166870-166405-166726-166413-166530-167056
16.687%-16.6405%-16.6726%-16.6413%-16.653%-16.7056%

Here's the code if you guys want to try it on your own

<?php
for ( $counter = 0; $counter < 1000000; $counter++) {
$i = mt_rand(1,6);
if ( $i == 1) {
$one++;
}
if ( $i == 2) {
$two++;
}
if ( $i == 3) {
$three++;
}
if ( $i == 4) {
$four++;
}
if ( $i == 5) {
$five++;
}
if ( $i == 6) {
$six++;
}
}
echo "$counter trials: $one-$two-$three-$four-$five-$six";
$one = $one / 10000;
$two = $two / 10000;
$three = $three / 10000;
$four = $four / 10000;
$five = $five / 10000;
$six = $six / 10000;
echo "<br /> (or $one%-$two%-$three%-$four%-$five%-$six&)";
?>

[DiM]

Doesn't the transfer of numbers make it easier to hack it, or at least know what's coming up?

i doubt hacking the dice is easy. random.org provides randomness for a lot of sites not only CC and so far i heard nothing about hacks.

as for knowing what dice come next, that wouldn't help at all since the dice come so fast it would be humanly impossible to press attack at an exact moment.

let's say i know the next 3 rolls are 6-6-6 vs 1-1. before i have time to read that and press attack those rolls are already used by somebody else.

[gloryordeath]

they just like to hear about how bad the dice suck....

[spearfish]

Well Random.org does charge a small fee.... and mt_rand is free.

[dividedbyzero]

Well Random.org does charge a small fee.... and mt_rand is free.

Probably because mt_rand isn't truly random. No computer generated random function is truly random by itself.

[greenoaks]

Lack uses random.org because for the one low fee they provide two sets of random dice files. the second file is for premium members only.

[owenshooter]

Lack uses random.org because for the one low fee they provide two sets of random dice files. the second file is for premium members only.

we aren't supposed to discuss this in the open! someone needs to lock this down now and delete it before the word gets out!!-0

[Iliad]

Lack uses random.org because for the one low fee they provide two sets of random dice files. the second file is for premium members only.

we aren't supposed to discuss this in the open! someone needs to lock this down now and delete it before the word gets out!!-0

Why did you ruin that call?

[yeti_c]

Well Random.org does charge a small fee.... and mt_rand is free.

Actually random.org is free...

Also - there is no "data feed" from random.org - that can be "hacked"... it's done by ... <muffled noises>...

[BaldAdonis]

Well Random.org does charge a small fee.... and mt_rand is free.

Actually random.org is free...

Also - there is no "data feed" from random.org - that can be "hacked"... it's done by ... <muffled noises>...

Did I hear carrier pigeons?

I'd also wager that it's easier to request the data from random.org and then read it, as opposed to processing all the dice on conquerclub.

[firth4eva]

Well Random.org does charge a small fee.... and mt_rand is free.

Probably because mt_rand isn't truly random. No computer generated random function is truly random by itself.

True. They only use different sections of pi.

[spearfish]

And btw Yeti, they *do* charge. I worked it out; CC pays about $1.50 daily.

[yeti_c]

Really?

I reckon I can just go here

http://www.random.org/files/

And download the files for free...

C.

[spearfish]

That works, but if somebody found out which file they were using, ouch!

I was just wondering, that's all, because the Mersenne Twister algorithm is more than accurate enough for the site's purposes.

[yeti_c]

That works, but if somebody found out which file they were using, ouch!

I was just wondering, that's all, because the Mersenne Twister algorithm is more than accurate enough for the site's purposes.

And what are you gonna do if you know which file they're using?

First off you have to work out how to parse all those 1's and 0's into a "dice file"... and then you need to find where you are in the dice file when you roll the first roll - by the time you've worked that out - about 500 other rolls have rolled - and you won't know where you are in the dice file...

Also - what happens if they use more than 1 file? They could also then change the order of the files...

Either way - you aren't gonna be able to "hack" the dice.

C.

[spearfish]

Sounds good. Converting the 0's and 1's to dice rolls is easy though. Take a set of six numbers and add them up!

Yet the Help file says that they have a 5 x 500,000 list of numbers, meaning they have them 1-6.