oVo wrote:With 19,000+ players and over a million games played I perceive the game chats to be more self regulated than the forums. Basically for the obvious situation that game chats are secluded while the forum is more public and accesible to read.
By self regulated I mean that most perceived abuses are reported by players and then checked out by moderators. This simply means it is easier for someone to get away with certain types of verbal abuse in game chats as such BS may never be reported. This might be perceived as uneven, but the difference may only be if someone was bummed out enough to even report it.
But that's the problem. REPORTED (via the C&A forum) of clear abuse by individuals such as codeblue and JaMarcus are responded to with only a simple warning (for the 4th and more reports of the same) whereas truly not-even-borderline-they're-so-tame statements in the forums at large end up with a permaban. That simply doesn't make any sense to me, given that new recruits are far more likely to encounter a codeblue or JaMarcus type than they are to wander into the forums. Shouldn't we want to avoid having our new recruits think that such gamechat behavior is "the norm" and thus leave for it before they had a chance to recognize that such behavior ISN'T the norm?
azezzo wrote:ok woodruff, I honestly am not trying to be antagonistic here, but the 1st sentence you posted follows,
Concise description:
* The forums and the game chat are not treated consistently, as per the Community Guidelines, though they should be
so maybe i dont understand either, the forum and game chat are 2 different animals, just as the game chat and the old feedback system were 2 different animals
The only reason I bring up the Community Guidelines there is because they do specifically lay out that:
"Common sense prevails - if you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it. It's that simple. This applies to any part of the site where interaction takes place; in Forums, Private Messages, Live Chat and Game Chat."
This would seem to imply a consistent view toward at least abusive behavior within gamechat and the forums. Yet, that's far from what we have when forum posts that can be described as (barely) mean result in permabans while clear and repetitive abuse (I'm not talking about swearing...I'm talking about abuse) in gamechat results in multiple warnings for the same individual and no further actions.
If a specific action is "intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others" in the forums, then the same should be true in gamechat. Likewise, if a specific action is NOT considered such in gamechat, then it seems ridiculous that lesser offenses in the forums (never mind equal offenses) would be considered to be such. There should be consistency, as stated in the Community Guidelines.
azezzo wrote:if what you meant was that simply the mods are not enforcing the guidelines consistently in the forums, then i would agree, but they still do have a pretty liberal stance on game chat as i understand it, correct me if i'm wrong.
No, I wasn't referring to consistency across the forums (though I agree with you on that), I was referring to consistency between gamechat and forum posts.
And again, just to be perfectly clear...I'm not saying NECESSARILY that gamechat should be moderated to the same level as the forums CURRENTLY are...only that the gamechat and forums should be moderated to the SAME LEVEL (whatever the level is determined to be).
And for what it's worth, I didn't see your post as antagonistic at all (which I greatly appreciate, thank you). Disagreeing with me doesn't make you antagonistic. <smile> I consider healthy disagreement to be extremely important in almost any endeavor.
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:11 am