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Assault?
Posted:
Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:08 pmby The Neon Peon
Concise description:- Change "Assault" to "Invade"
Specifics:- This has been bothering me lately. It sounds too unnatural to say "assault a region" because "assault" is a rather uncommonly used word. I think it would be much easier and more natural to talk of "invading a region."
- Although I generally do not like polls in this forum, I set one up. Seems like the only way to decide.
- One does not assault an inanimate object usually. However, one will usually invade a country, rather than assault a country. I can say I hear more about the U.S. invading Iraq than both assaulting (never heard that once) or attacking it (rarely and by high school students)
- This is a very easy fix since it is basically copy and paste, or just replace all "assault" with "invade" in the code.
This will improve the following aspects of the site:- Our language will sound like something that was not pulled out of a thesaurus after being threatened with legal action.
Re: Assault?
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Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:25 amby Thezzaruz
I would say no due to "assault" being a correct description of what is happening. And even though "invade" might (usually) be the preferred result it is not a certain outcome of the "assault".
Re: Assault?
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Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:39 amby Stroop
Thezzaruz wrote:I would say no due to "assault" being a correct description of what is happening. And even though "invade" might (usually) be the preferred result it is not a certain outcome of the "assault".
An invasion is not necessarily successful, and it is a more accurate description of what happens when you let your armies attack a region. Assault sounds as if a small group of people attacks something, while invade sounds like the large scale wars we simulate by rolling the "intensity cubes".
Re: Assault?
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Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:31 pmby MrBenn
Although 'Invade' doesn't necessarily ring true for some of the more abstract maps we have? Would Picasso 'invade' Dali?
Re: Assault?
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Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:34 pmby SuicidalSnowman
Well, the American legal system uses "Assault" to mean threaten violence, not actually complete the action...
Re: Assault?
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Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:15 amby yeti_c
SuicidalSnowman wrote:Well, the American legal system uses "Assault" to mean threaten violence, not actually complete the action...
The American legal system is stupid then.
C.
Re: Assault?
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Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:29 amby Stroop
MrBenn wrote:Although 'Invade' doesn't necessarily ring true for some of the more abstract maps we have? Would Picasso 'invade' Dali?
Yes, since Picasso and Dali are only the names of regions in which one can station armies. It wouldn't be different from America invades Iraq.
Re: Assault?
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Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:39 pmby The Neon Peon
MrBenn wrote:Although 'Invade' doesn't necessarily ring true for some of the more abstract maps we have? Would Picasso 'invade' Dali?
Hm... yes. Would you quench a map with boxes and names of artists in them?
looks like the poll is doing nicely.
Re: Assault?
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Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:17 pmby owenshooter
The Neon Peon wrote:looks like the poll is doing nicely.
yeah, 26 total votes... easily a majority...-6cd
Re: Assault?
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Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:17 amby Jeff Hardy
invade sounds way better
i still dont see why we cant call it attack, its not as if hasbro made up the word
Re: Assault?
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Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:22 pmby Thezzaruz
Jeff Hardy wrote:i still dont see why we cant call it attack, its not as if hasbro made up the word
The word isn't the issue. It's about the word in its context and that was exactly the same here as in RISK and hence an (possible) infringement.
Re: Assault?
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Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:32 pmby drake_259
Invade seems a better word as your invading rather than assaulting which is basically bombarding
Re: Assault?
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Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:36 pmby Natewolfman
The Neon Peon wrote:MrBenn wrote:Although 'Invade' doesn't necessarily ring true for some of the more abstract maps we have? Would Picasso 'invade' Dali?
Hm... yes. Would you quench a map with boxes and names of artists in them?
MrBenn raises a good point... and its not just classic art... 8-thoughts assault sounds better then invade, US senate, supermax, ext. Basically anything that is not geographical based sounds better as assault... though invade does sound better for those, on a whole... id have to stick to assault, sorry
Re: Assault?
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Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:02 pmby The Neon Peon
Well, I had another idea that fits in with the site: instead of assault, or invade, why not "Conquer" ? Fits in perfectly with the site's name, although still has that problem of invade.
P.S. I think there are a ton more geographically based maps then ones like 8 thoughts, which works... "invaded mind from reason" sounds perfectly fine for that. Same with assault there. Although I think that for the majority of the geographically based maps, "invade" is better.
Re: Assault?
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Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:16 pmby cicero
The Neon Peon wrote:Well, I had another idea that fits in with the site: instead of assault, or invade, why not "Conquer" ? Fits in perfectly with the site's name, although still has that problem of invade.
P.S. I think there are a ton more geographically based maps then ones like 8 thoughts, which works... "invaded mind from reason" sounds perfectly fine for that. Same with assault there. Although I think that for the majority of the geographically based maps, "invade" is better.
Because "conquer" is already used in game logs to indicate a successful assault:
cicero assaulted Kenya from Somalia and conquered it from The Neon Preon"
Nonetheless I do think "assault" is a bit clunky, but "invade" doesn't really work either since it has the connotation of successful completion that conquer has ... Hmm, something with a similar meaning to "attack" or "assault" is needed ...
"Aggresses" ?
Re: Assault?
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Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:23 pmby GrimReaper.
INVADE!!!
Re: Assault?
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Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:28 pmby jnd94
MrBenn wrote:Although 'Invade' doesn't necessarily ring true for some of the more abstract maps we have? Would Picasso 'invade' Dali?
Would Picasso
assault Dali?
Re: Assault?
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Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:36 pmby The Neon Peon
So everyone thinks that "attack" was best, and that other stuff does not work?
Re: Assault?
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Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:32 pmby Artimis
I like "Assualt" because it sounds better, not very scientific but it's good enough for me. Also everyone is used to it now, so another change is not necessary unless the Hasbro legal department decide to come after CC again.