Conquer Club

In a players "Viewing Profile" page - I would like to see, along with "Games Played / Games Won," the addition of "Opponents Defeated / Opponents Played."

Concise description:

• A player who plays only 1 on 1 games can have a winning percentage of 50% easily without much effort. I would like the Viewing Profile page to more accurately reflect the skill of the player based on how many ACTUAL OPPONENTS they have played, compared with how many they have actually defeated.

Just use the Game Finder to search for all of a players 1 vs 1 games and you can easily see who they beat and who they lost to.

Optimus Prime wrote:Just use the Game Finder to search for all of a players 1 vs 1 games and you can easily see who they beat and who they lost to.

he means a ratio of opponents defeated to opponents won, not a list of who you've beaten vs who you've played

Topics merged:

show ratio of opponents beaten to games lost in profile - posts 21 July 2008 to 27 August 2008 - first post here
Opponents Defeated - posts 8 October 2008 - first post here

Both suggestions contain the same core idea.

Cicero

cicero wrote:Topics merged:

show ratio of opponents beaten to games lost in profile - posts 21 July 2008 to 27 August 2008 - first post here
Opponents Defeated - posts 8 October 2008 - first post here

Both suggestions contain the same core idea.

Cicero

They do not -- they contain similar criticism of the win percentage, but they are otherwise very different suggestions. The ratio "Opponents Defeated / Opponents Played", like the win percentage, will be around 1/n on average if you play only n-player games, and so is not useful for improving comparison between people who play games with different numbers of players. A lot of thought was put into the latter goal in this thread, and the agreed result has already been implemented in Map Rank. I propose that the threads be unmerged if that's technically possible.

i like this idea

this isnt so much of 1v1 as it is farming. because the people who just farm rarely play the same person twice, very rarely

My apologies to all, particularly joriki and maximumbandit.

As noted a couple of posts back I recently merged this thread - OP maximumbandit - with the
show ratio of opponents beaten to games lost in profile thread - OP joriki.

I stated that both contained the same core idea. This is incorrect.
This thread suggests a new percentage based on "opponents defeated / opponents played"
Joriki's thread suggests a new indicator based on "(the log of)opponents beaten / games lost". Which is quite different.

Threads unmerged.

Cicero

cicero wrote:My apologies to all, particularly joriki and maximumbandit.

As noted a couple of posts back I recently merged this thread - OP maximumbandit - with the
show ratio of opponents beaten to games lost in profile thread - OP joriki.

I stated that both contained the same core idea. This is incorrect.
This thread suggests a new percentage based on "opponents defeated / opponents played"
Joriki's thread suggests a new indicator based on "(the log of)opponents beaten / games lost". Which is quite different.

Threads unmerged.

Cicero

thanks Cicero

Opponents Defeated / Opponents Played sounded good at first, but at last it doesn't make sense

Suppose player A won a 3 man game and lost a 3 man game. Ratio is 2/4 = 50%

Suppose player B won a 3 man game and lost an 8 man game. Ratio is 2/9 = 22%

Player A ends up with a better ratio, even though losing a 3 man game is worse that losing an 8 man game!

I'll examine joriki's suggestion next...

lackattack wrote:Opponents Defeated / Opponents Played sounded good at first, but at last it doesn't make sense

Suppose player A won a 3 man game and lost a 3 man game. Ratio is 2/4 = 50%

Suppose player B won a 3 man game and lost an 8 man game. Ratio is 2/9 = 22%

Player A ends up with a better ratio, even though losing a 3 man game is worse that losing an 8 man game!

I'll examine joriki's suggestion next...

I am not a mathematician, but I have been working on this very thing. I have come up with a calculation system that would give your player A, 75% and player B, 85.72 %.

porkenbeans wrote:

lackattack wrote:Opponents Defeated / Opponents Played sounded good at first, but at last it doesn't make sense

Suppose player A won a 3 man game and lost a 3 man game. Ratio is 2/4 = 50%

Suppose player B won a 3 man game and lost an 8 man game. Ratio is 2/9 = 22%

Player A ends up with a better ratio, even though losing a 3 man game is worse that losing an 8 man game!

I'll examine joriki's suggestion next...

I am not a mathematician, but I have been working on this very thing. I have come up with a calculation system that would give your player A, 75% and player B, 85.72 %.

Player A would have to loose another 3-man game to go to 50%.