Conquer Club

Concise description:

• Retain the overall Scoreboard
• Implement 6 more scoreboards for each game type: Standard, Terminator, Assassin, Doubles, Triples, Quadruples

Specifics:
I love the scoreboard. It's a great way to judge your ability in a vast community. But let's face it - different players are different ranks for different reasons. I've seen plenty of people that play Speed Assassin game after game, but languish on page 20-30 of the boards. Some of these players are amazingly good at that game type (not me, by any stretch), and they don't get the recognition they deserve. Certain players are good, because they're good at a specific game type. I don't begrudge them for this, but I would like to see a system that recognises and encourages this. Proposal:

• Have 6 more scoreboards, one for each game type - Standard, Terminator, Assassin, Doubles, Triples, Quadruples
• When you score a win or a loss, you not only get those points put on your overall score, but also on your game type score
• For example
  
  • You start at 1000 points. You win a Standard for 80 points, and lose an Assassin for 20 points:
  • Overall score 1060
  • Standard score 1080
  • Assassin score 980
  • Terminator, Dubs, Trips, Quads are all still 1000
• Points gained or lost are always based on your overall score - the scoring algorithm doesn't undergo any changes

This will improve the following aspects of the site:

• Retains the honour of being overall Conquerer
• Includes mini-goals of Conquerer of Terminator, Conquerer of Doubles, etc
• Allows players of lower rank to take pride in a good ranking in one game type
• Allows strong players far more goals, rather than simply Conquerer, medals, ratings
• Very easy to implement - simply a sum of points gained/lost on each game type

A much easier solution would be to have a Map Rank Scoreboard (inside the Map Rank script, not a new feature)

blakebowling wrote:A much easier solution would be to have a Map Rank Scoreboard (inside the Map Rank script, not a new feature)

If Map Rank is a script, surely it's client-based and not server-based?

Great idea and I could think of a few more. Unfortunately just like last time we've discussed this on the forum - it won't happen. Lack commented somewhere in some even older thread that he can't recalculate all the scores due to the missing gamelogs, hence a 'low prio'. It's pretty much demotivating to say the least.

Frop wrote:Great idea and I could think of a few more. Unfortunately just like last time we've discussed this on the forum - it won't happen. Lack commented somewhere in some even older thread that he can't recalculate all the scores due to the missing gamelogs, hence a 'low prio'. It's pretty much demotivating to say the least.

Ouch

The only problem I see with having multiple scoreboards and having all score adjustments based on overall score, is that someone could abuse one scoreboard by losing a bunch of games in one type to lower their overall, then winning alot in another category, and repeating so they always win alot in that one category.

I definitely like the idea though.

e_i_pi wrote:

blakebowling wrote:A much easier solution would be to have a Map Rank Scoreboard (inside the Map Rank script, not a new feature)

If Map Rank is a script, surely it's client-based and not server-based?

Obviously it's client based, but I still think it could be integrated, and what about lost game logs, there are a record of points won and points lost from each game currently in the system, the finish order is the part that can't be calculated.

blakebowling wrote:

e_i_pi wrote:

blakebowling wrote:A much easier solution would be to have a Map Rank Scoreboard (inside the Map Rank script, not a new feature)

If Map Rank is a script, surely it's client-based and not server-based?

Obviously it's client based, but I still think it could be integrated, and what about lost game logs, there are a record of points won and points lost from each game currently in the system, the finish order is the part that can't be calculated.

The points won or lost is all you require to calculate other scoreboards, finish order doesn't matter at all. I would think building it in server-side would be easier. Can you imagine everyone's PC calculating game type score for every person? Why carry out redundant operation after redundant operation? I'm not sure I understand why you think client-side is more favourable.

As for the missing logs, I guess we'd just have to bite the bullet and accept that they're gone. There's nothing you can do about them. If the data isn't there, it can't be built in. Simple as that. Nothing will bring the data back, let's just accept the loss.

mentos wrote:The only problem I see with having multiple scoreboards and having all score adjustments based on overall score, is that someone could abuse one scoreboard by losing a bunch of games in one type to lower their overall, then winning alot in another category, and repeating so they always win alot in that one category.

Good point. But, it's pretty drastic measures for someone to go to. Points dumping is already frowned upon too. Some could argue that this could encourage it, others could argue that it's already policed and so would be noticed by people. I guess this is a discussion point.

Good idea. Already voted "yes" in Blitz's thread a couple of weeks ago...

I'm absolutely flabbergasted at the suggestion that this should be done client-side but anyway...

This idea (everyone loves it) has been around before but unfortunately isn't possible.

The key point is this:

Points gained or lost are always based on your overall score - the scoring algorithm doesn't undergo any changes

Your overall score consists of points won/lost in all game types.
This means that if you use these in the 6 separate counts, you are still not getting an independent score.

What might have been possible is a complete re-score but this has been rejected already on the grounds of the missing logs.

Perhaps a relevant greasemonkey add-on would please everyone.

hatchman wrote:Perhaps a relevant greasemonkey add-on would please everyone.

as I have suggested it before (and I understand why it won't work) it won't happen

Would be easier to lump dubs/trips/quads into "Team Games."