clans mod. - suggestion

by **rebelman** on Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:11 am

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* At least one moderator whose sole responsibility is looking after clans / user groups

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* Suggestion Idea:
as above

* Specifics:
the number of members in team cc have grown over the last while and it has been indicated by twill and others that this will continue to happen, likewise there has been a huge growth in clans/usergroups we now have in excess of 100 of these - I believe at least one mod. is needed to deal exclusively with issues related to this important growing part of this site.

* Why it is needed:

I have painted the picture in broad brush strokes above but to further flesh it out;

they would deal with applications for new usergroups

respond to requests from existing ones eg. change of usergroup mod etc.

be a point of contact for clan related queries

take a lead in providing information for clans eg a draft set of rules / constitution, how to set up a clan etc.

if/when clans are granted tournie privs again they would be the person that deals with this as distinct from the tds

ensure "rivals" or our own version there of is optimised for clans as well as tournaments, it was noted with some disappointment that when the ad-hoc group related to this was founded it was exclusively related to tournaments to the exclusion of clans. If "clans" had someone looking out for their corner of cc this would be less likely to happen.

when the forums upgrade happens clans will have more power to look after their own kingdoms, with increased power comes increased responsibility so again having a mod specifically in this area should help advancement along the learning curve as well as taking a proactive role in crisis prevention and management within these fora.

by **lord voldemort** on Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:13 am

would be good....person would have to be fairly independent....ie not belonging to any clans

by **rebelman** on Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:18 am

lord voldemort wrote:would be good....person would have to be fairly independent....ie not belonging to any clans

i totally agree with the not a clan member point

by **Optimus Prime** on Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:49 am

Clarification needs to be made here. I don't know who told you that the tournament ad-hoc was created for a system to the exclusion of clans, but . . . that isn't the case. It was created to develop a Rivals type system so that both tournaments and clan rankings/ladders could be possible without a huge hassle.

by **AndyDufresne** on Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:53 am

We always are in consideration of people for roles at CC.

--Andy

by **lord voldemort** on Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:55 am

AndyDufresne wrote:We always are in consideration of people for roles at CC.

--Andy

i think that was hint as it may be in works already

by **rebelman** on Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:14 pm

Optimus Prime wrote:Clarification needs to be made here. I don't know who told you that the tournament ad-hoc was created for a system to the exclusion of clans, but . . . that isn't the case. It was created to develop a Rivals type system so that both tournaments and clan rankings/ladders could be possible without a huge hassle.

I'm glad to hear it op, as this was the post by Twill setting that group up:

Twill wrote:
Tournament Tools: We have been waiting on Rivals for a long long time now. The time is coming where one of two things will happen - 1) Rivals gets released and we will need to tweak it to our specific purposes or 2) we give up waiting and bring coding in-house.
Either way, we need Tournament Organizers and regular tournament players to join us and debate what tools, reporting and features would best go into the ideal tournament tool. You will either need to have organized or participated in at least one Conquer Club Tournament to join this group

this to me and others whom I have spoken to sounded like a group geared towards tournie organisers and players as distinct from those active in clans and organising/planning clan events. I genuinely have no issue with that and I wish the group the best of luck but it would be good to also get the imput of those involved in clans not part of the current tournies family/area (nothing against you guys but your clan gen1 are in effect a clan of tournie organisers and players so not your typical cc clan in this regard whereas there are multiple others who would love to put forward ideas/input from a clans perspective if given the opportunity that arent from the tournies group/family)

by **Optimus Prime** on Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:16 am

I understand what you are saying completely, rebelman.

Thing is though, that the only thing Rivals in itself would do for clans is allow them to run tournaments and have a clan ranking system/ladder because of them. That's the only difference it is going to make with clans as a whole. Therefore, it just seems a little odd to have a clan mod that took care of clan tournament things.

I can understand the need for a mod in charge of clan issues in general, but to be honest I think all tournament related duties and such should stay with the Tournament Directors. Not a pride issue, just a fact that the reason we have the job is because we know what we are doing. That of course, doesn't mean that a clan mod wouldn't have any knowledge of the issue either. I see a clan mod as perhaps being the go-between from TD to specific clans. Well, that's just me though.

As for the ad-hoc, right now we've got some good preliminary discussion on a system similar to Rivals we are thinking we might want to have developed. It will include ways to more conveniently run tournaments in general as well as meet the specifications that Twill has set forth to have a workable clan ladder and clan tournament system. I think you'll be pleased when we get it finished, I really do.

All that said, the reason Twill included that part in his requirement for joining the ad-hoc is because really (I'll be completely honest with you here) the people who know what we need are the ones who run the tournaments, OR the ones who PLAY in a LOT of tournaments. The casual player/clan member has absolutely no clue as to what features or needs there are that need to be met in this type of system. So in order to keep the discussion focused and moving he wants guys who know the in's and out's of tournaments like the back of their hands.

My guys over in G1 are definitely tournament organizers and players, definitely no way of hiding that, but I say again that the casual player/clan member who has never played in or run a tournament really has no focused idea on what the ad-hoc is working on. Since Rivals on its own (if we just installed it as designed) is nothing more than a clan ladder/tournament system, I'm not sure I understand the need to have people involved in "other clan activities" in on the discussion. What types of activities are you meaning exactly?

Anyways, enough rambling from me at the moment.

by **rebelman** on Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:29 am

op thanks for that response (again) as some of it is off topic (the ad hoc group stuff) I will pm you what/where I am coming from there.

back on topic - once we have a clan ladders / tournament system up and runing i am absolutely certain there will be an explosion in tournies/requests/activity in this area. to me it seems crazy to push all this additional work on the existing tournie directors. I realise this may seem like a huge leap but this has been the experience of multiple online sites where clan/tribe wars have become a cornerstone of their activity.

Actually if you notice in my first post i suggest at least one clan mod. as I believe more than one may be necessary - with one being in effect exclusively a TD for the clans area obviously this person would work hand in hand with the tournament forum TDs ps I'm confident this person will "know what they are doing" this site in my time on here has never appointed a mod. to any area that did not know what they were doing (at least after a little learning, movement along the learning curve, even you yourself had a few boo boos at the start - remember the point grabbers thread !! whereas now its second nature to you) The other reason why I would suggest having a different person is many of these clan tournies will potentially not be using the tournament forum at all for multiple reasons the primary one being the tournament forum is for ulic tournies and clan challenges / tournaments would get completely lost in there and likewise they would clutter up the tournie forum making an already busy forum even busier.

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