A Religious (or not) Resting Day

[elchananj]

me and a few friends of mine were just introduced to this great website and having great fun in it. We just have one small problem. were religious jews and sometimes we miss critical turns on the day of the Shabbat (Saturday). every week we don't touch the computer for about a 26 hour period. (from before sunset on friday (in Israel, where we live, there are many probably many religious jews in here or muslims that might have the same problem around the globe)

So my suggestion (actually GROND 2cd. had suggested it to me, and he does'nt have this problem) is that there will be an option to make your turn longer, once a week in every game, in additional 24 hours. (of course not in speed games)

what do you people think?

[AndyDufresne]

I think a better way to solve this problem, which is the works, is some sort of Vacation Feature/Setting. More on the vacation idea will come out later, but there are some threads on it.


--Andy

[tenio]

it definetly is hard for you, but people could abuse this


also maybe play turn games when i play those i sometimes can go with out a turn for a 3 days

[Piestar]

I feel your pain, but i doubt many players will be willing to agree, especially as it is Saturday.

If there are enough people who share your situation, you might try to put together games made up entirely of these payers, so at least the missed turn is shared equally.

[graeme89]

If you play sequential only theres a better than average chance you wouldn't miss a turn. For 1 day a week the number of turns missed would be minimal.

[elchananj]

Andy, I would like to here more about this vacation idea.

tenio, I am also afraid of abusing, that is why I suggest that every player could press this button only once a week. this button would only let him have another 24(or maybe it should be 12? 6?... It still solves our problem) hours when his turn comes.

Piestar, I don't think it'll ruin everybody's saturdays. not so many players should use it? right? and if so many people want to use it on saturday, so it means many people want this day-off and we have to do something about it.
and for your offer, it does'nt help. because only one player misses his turn as saturday comes and goes and nobody plays...

graeme89, I totally agree and I'm aware of that. but It still doesn't solve the problem. look at my first feedback that I received not long ago.
http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?page=feedback1&username=elchananj
It happend in a sequntial game.

[lord voldemort]

I feel your pain, but i doubt many players will be willing to agree, especially as it is Saturday.

If there are enough people who share your situation, you might try to put together games made up entirely of these payers, so at least the missed turn is shared equally.

ud be surprised, sat isnt the busiest day, monday is...has been for the last 3 weeks..

but the vacation buttom will solve this prob i think

[PLAYER57832]

I voted "yes", but there are a couple of things to consider. First and most importantly, Lack has already turned down the idea of a "vacation" button. This was brought up, along with suggestiongs to change reinforcement formulae for missed turns, because some folks miss more than 3 days AND because many folks, myself included, feel that missing turns and then being able to get full reinforcements gives the turn-misser a clear advantage. In other words, missing a turn gives you a leg up, not a leg down. Therefore you have little to worry about.

That said, Lack has stated repeatedly that he feels the redeployment is reasonable "compensation" for missing turns for all kinds of reasons, yours included,t hat it does NOT give an advantage. He feels that people can compensate for the extra deployments from missed turns. Lack is in charge, it is his decision. There are many threads discussing these issues in full. Check them out for the full arguments for and against.

Instead, I would suggest 2 options. The first is to get someone else to play. That may not be practical and may present religious difficulty for you, I am not sure. The more practical suggestion is to just ask. Mention this to the other players and politely request that they also take a day off. You would, of course, be expected to honor their religious days, if applicable. Some folks would agree, others would take advantage. At worst, you might find you want to stick to private games if it seems likely a particular game will impact your Saturdays. One good thing, given the limits of this site, I am doubt you have to worry too much about anit-semitism -- the worst someone can do is attack you in the game and neg you. You can always put them on your ignore list -- and if someone uses racial slurs, I believe this is one reason the mods actually will step in and delete feedback. (???)

Oh, and I don't know your rank, but I would be happy to play a game with you and to give a "Saturday break", if you are not too far out of my league. I am very sure there are many others who would feel similarly.

[elchananj]

Thanks for your post.

but What do you think of a button that you can press only once a week and that will only let you once have a 36 hours preiod instead of 24?
in that way I (and others) won't miss a turn at all !

or I can think of an alternative. to add a third game option of 48 hours a turn. (instead of speed games or 24 hour period only)

why I don't think your solutions are good:
asking someone else to play for you is not practical (as you said) and not a serious global solution.

your second offer - telling the other players won't solve the problem even if they are great & kind players. because It will just make the game all confused and annoying with people missing turns in purpose.

I'd like to play against you too but I'm not a paying member yet. (although I recruited a good friend of mine to this website and he's paying)

I'm a begginer in this website (completed about 6 games and lost them all) but I'm playing the RISK board game with my family usually in Shabbat (Saturday) for years. so I'm not a stranger to tactics...

[Piestar]

Wait... if 24 hours pass, and NOBODY makes a move, in a freestyle game, don't they ALL lose a turn?

As to a holiday button, I think it would be less prone to abuse if you made it game wide, i.e. no moves allowed on that particular day, i.e. Saturday, or Lord Voldemorts Monday if you prefer, whichever the players agree to. This would also stop you from having to remember to hit it every week.

[elchananj]

Wait... if 24 hours pass, and NOBODY makes a move, in a freestyle game, don't they ALL lose a turn?

As to a holiday button, I think it would be less prone to abuse if you made it game wide, i.e. no moves allowed on that particular day, i.e. Saturday, or Lord Voldemorts Monday if you prefer, whichever the players agree to. This would also stop you from having to remember to hit it every week.

well, then we'll have the player that gets the most at that stage, gets double, and that's gonna change the game a bit, would'nt it?
I'm just trying to make a small adding, that won't effect the game.
a whole day when nobody makes a move does'nt solve the problem, because a jew in Israel would want his 24 hours- 7 hours before a jew in new york.
and muslims would ask for fridays, for example... anyway why hold all the players when only one player wants

[Herakilla]

this would work if you made it an option that could be changed to the game starters needs. a check box for each of sun, mon, tue, wed, thurs, fri, sat would work.

[Halmir]

Religion has no place in online games, go be delusional elsewhere. Any player trying to cite religious or other crap reasons for holding up a game should be penalised. If you can't play in a game you rule yourself out, and ruin it for eveyone else. What if they're a muslim and cite 30 days of Ramadan? I have no sympathy. You should play speed games only.

PS I'm not anti-semitic, I'm just totally anti-religious; I look back at all the trouble and death that various religions have caused for the last 3 millenia and just wonder what we could have achieved without poncy clerics taking their taxes and abusing the children. Happy to put anyone straight via PM to save boring everyone else

(Why can I feel a moderator's delete button twitching? )

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(update after calming down, in a more constructive frame of mind!)

How about instead you look to form your own instance of CC ? There's various national forums, why not one for Isreal or one for a Faith? Solves a lot of issues I'd suggest! GL anyway

[yeti_c]

TBH - I think your initial post was completely over the top...

This guy isn't trying to push his religion on you - so why do you feel the need to push your lack of religion on him...

I too am completely anti-religious - but I don't attack people for being religious... if you want to take this any further I suggest doing it in the flame wars - although that might still get you into trouble.

C.

[insomniacdude]

this would work if you made it an option that could be changed to the game starters needs. a check box for each of sun, mon, tue, wed, thurs, fri, sat would work.

A better option and more usable would be a 48-hour (or 36) turn option. Which has been sugested many times in even the short timeframe I've been here and yet there seems to be no apparent reason why the option hasn't been included.

[Piestar]

How about a super slow version, where there is only 1 turn per week, for everybody?

I know this sounds wierd, but there are people who simply don't have much time.

I simply don't see a 'button' as being a viable option here, you really need something that is a game wide option, that impacts everyone equally.

[elchananj]

or I can think of an alternative. to add a third game option of 48 hours a turn. (instead of speed games or 24 hour period only)

A better option and more usable would be a 48-hour (or 36) turn option. Which has been sugested many times in even the short timeframe I've been here and yet there seems to be no apparent reason why the option hasn't been included.

How about a super slow version, where there is only 1 turn per week, for everybody?

I know this sounds wierd, but there are people who simply don't have much time.

I think we found a good solution. no?

[elchananj]

Religion has no place in online games, go be delusional elsewhere. Any player trying to cite religious or other crap reasons for holding up a game should be penalised.

are you talking to me? where did you see me cite anything?
all I did was representing a problem and suggesting a solution.

If you can't play in a game you rule yourself out, and ruin it for eveyone else. What if they're a muslim and cite 30 days of Ramadan? I have no sympathy. You should play speed games only.

OR solve solve this problem. (see my post above)

PS I'm not anti-semitic, I'm just totally anti-religious; I look back at all the trouble and death that various religions have caused for the last 3 millenia and just wonder what we could have achieved without poncy clerics taking their taxes and abusing the children.

a friend of mine did a reaserch. there was much more non-religious killing in history. Stalin & Hitler for a start. think about it.
and when you talk about reilgious war. think when did the Jewish religious ever started one? so please don't put me in the same line with Christians & muslims...
sorry had to answer such terrible words in public.
otherwise it echoes in empty minds and motivates anti-semitism.

How about instead you look to form your own instance of CC ? There's various national forums, why not one for Isreal or one for a Faith? Solves a lot of issues I'd suggest! GL anyway

OR we can add a small gaming option to this great server and play all happily ever after.

why always seek to be anti-stuff?
spread more love and happiness!

[Halmir]

Woohoo he wants a religious debate after all Start a thread in Flame Wars, PM me the link, and we'll have it out there. Stalin and Hitler were indeed horrible examples of unrestrained power in the hands of madmen, but I think I can show religion has caused a higher body count or a higher % of population killed across the ages. But anyways:-

Yes I'm talking to you old chap, as you started this thead then cited religious reasons for not playing on a Saturday! It's a problem for you but not for the majority. QED.

CC has a set of rules, you signed up to them when you joined, you now propose a somewhat major change to them in order to satisfy your own needs. Saturday is actually one of the busiest days for me on this game. I can concede that perhaps across all 17000 of us there's some that aren't playing so much on that day, but not my experience. That's why I suggest you form your own subset of CC in order to play that way (hey, maybe others would want this also), or that you only play speed games. You can still play as normal, take the hit on a Saturday and lose a turn in a standard game. The 36 hour rule sounds like a workable option also.

BTW respect to you, it's fun to have an intelligent debate about issues rather than degenerating into abuse as is so often the case on fora - but I think that CC attracts a better class of player in the main, fortunately!

[unriggable]

I really like the idea of having a long turn. Some days I just miss.

FYI, Hitler was Xian.

[elchananj]

Halmir I don't want a debate.
your claims are'nt even supported with facts so why argue?
by the way I'm not old (I hope) I'm just 20.
and BTW I do'nt understand all that you guys say.
(I'm not yet an internet-english speaker)
so please translate: FYI, Xian, QED for me, thanks.

now I don't want to make major changes,
as Iv'e written earlier!
It seems we all agree that we should add more time-options to CC.
so how do we do it? who do we speak to?

[Syzygy]

FYI - For Your Information.

Xian means Christian. (The X is supposed to be a Cross.)

Q.E.D. - Quod Erat Demonstrandum, which is Latin for "I rest my case/"

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Anyway, I'm not interested in getting into any religious debates / arguments here.

As far as the original idea goes, I support it.

[elchananj]

Thanks.

[clangfield]

FYI - For Your Information.

Xian means Christian. (The X is supposed to be a Cross.)

Q.E.D. - Quod Erat Demonstrandum, which is Latin for "I rest my case/"

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Anyway, I'm not interested in getting into any religious debates / arguments here.

As far as the original idea goes, I support it.

QED means "that which was to be shown", used in mathematical proofs to show that one has reached the required conclusion.

I agree with Halmir though - if you think religious observance is more important than playing CC (can't see why on earth anyone would think that way in this day and age, but still) then don't join the games that require you to play. Besides, if you're up to date with your moves just before sunset, then you should have at least 24 hours before you need to move again (unless you're in a 2 player game and the other guy makes an instantaneous move) so there shouldn't be a problem. It's hard enough getting people to turn up without delaying things unnecessarily.
Or invent a computer that doesn't require striking a spark on the sabbath - something powered by steam or a rubber band. The Sinclair ZX80 springs to mind...

[TheSupremeCourt]

An option when creating/ searching games simply to not play on Saturdays/ weekends could solve this issue. Those who want in are cool, everyone else can easily avoid it. Simple!

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