Maps -> Posters

[Bonzai]

My idea was to print the Conquer Club maps onto Posters and then sell them online. (I don't know if you already do, shop is down for me ( )

Why ?

Because addicted players can play Conquer Club at home with their friends with the original riskpuppets when their internet is down.
Or just because they like IRL-company better then E-company.

Also you can have IRL CC competitions with those maps and those riskpuppets. (But that's for way later I guess).

But anyway, what you think of my idea ?
And better words for Riskpuppets are always welcome =D

[firth4eva]

yeah posters of maps would sell

[yamahafazer]

Defiantly!! Good Idea!!

[militant]

Defiantly!! Good Idea!!

i agree i think this idea is smashing

[Iliad]

Does it have to cost money? Why can't it sell pictures for download?

[Bonzai]

Because A4 wont be big enough I guess


And posters are more shiny
Better quality etc...

[pepperonibread]

Because A4 wont be big enough I guess


And posters are more shiny
Better quality etc...

A lot of mapmakers don't make their maps that big, only the 800 pixels wide that is needed. You could maybe ask around the map foundry for people's bigger files, though.

[WidowMakers]

yeah posters of maps would sell

I agree that map poster would sell. The issue is most maps (with the exception of World 2.1, Montreal, and possible a few others) were all done in a raster based program (Photoshop). They have resolutions around 800x800 pixels.

For good quality printing, you want to have around 200 dpi (or dots per inch). With a 800x800 map you would get a good quality 4 x 4 inch poster

TO make a good 24 in x 36 in poster, the original jpeg file woul dneed to be new 4800 x 7200 = 34560000 pixels
original 800 x 800 = 64000 pixles

That is 540 times more pixels.

The amount of time it would take to have the original (or new) mapmaker recreate most of the maps would be very large. It already take plenty of time to make the small maps.

I hope this answers your question.

WM

[gimil]

I think selling cartographer maps may have some complications. Some cartographers may not be comfortable with lack making profit from there work. Eacg cartographer still holds the copyright of there work for use on te site. If teh shop wants to sell these maps then there need to be a new agrement made with hte cartoraphers.

however i very sure that if lack was to come to some kind of agrement with each cartographer they'll be willing to resize maps for sale in the shop

[WidowMakers]

I think selling cartographer maps may have some complications. Some cartographers may not be comfortable with lack making profit from there work. Eacg cartographer still holds the copyright of there work for use on te site. If teh shop wants to sell these maps then there need to be a new agrement made with hte cartoraphers.

however i very sure that if lack was to come to some kind of agrement with each cartographer they'll be willing to resize maps for sale in the shop

That is the other problem. Some have agreed (few) but most have not. Still the main issue is that is a cartographer wants to spend all the time to make a map big enough to sell.

WM

[gimil]

I think selling cartographer maps may have some complications. Some cartographers may not be comfortable with lack making profit from there work. Eacg cartographer still holds the copyright of there work for use on te site. If teh shop wants to sell these maps then there need to be a new agrement made with hte cartoraphers.

however i very sure that if lack was to come to some kind of agrement with each cartographer they'll be willing to resize maps for sale in the shop

That is the other problem. Some have agreed (few) but most have not. Still the main issue is that is a cartographer wants to spend all the time to make a map big enough to sell.

WM

i wouldnt bother with hte size issue. im happy to resize it. As a buisness student i know that people arent happy donig something like this at someone elses benefit.

[insomniacdude]

I'm sure some would sell. We wouldn't be able to sell some (Middle Earth, Tamriel, and Discworld, correct me if I'm wrong). If the cartographers spend a lot of time redoing the maps for resale, maybe they can be reimbursed with a small portion of the profits.

[DiM]

I think selling cartographer maps may have some complications. Some cartographers may not be comfortable with lack making profit from there work. Eacg cartographer still holds the copyright of there work for use on te site. If teh shop wants to sell these maps then there need to be a new agrement made with hte cartoraphers.

however i very sure that if lack was to come to some kind of agrement with each cartographer they'll be willing to resize maps for sale in the shop

That is the other problem. Some have agreed (few) but most have not. Still the main issue is that is a cartographer wants to spend all the time to make a map big enough to sell.

WM

i wouldnt bother with hte size issue. im happy to resize it. As a buisness student i know that people arent happy donig something like this at someone elses benefit.

yeah you're happy to resize it but can you?

i just wanted to see how big my psd file for Age of Realms would be on 8400*8000 px.

20 giga for the file plus i think somewhere around 200 giga swap space.

my hdd is only 120 giga and it's already filled with all kinds of crap. so if i want to do a resize i'd have to buy a new 250 giga hdd and leave it as 1 partition because swapping can't be done on several partitions.

[Wisse]

i think most map will look ugly as you resize them

[DiM]

i think most map will look ugly as you resize them

it actually depends on what you consider bad. remember a bit of pixelization on a 6*6ft image isn't too bad because you're not gonna stare form 2 inches at it. a huge poster is meant to be looked at from at least 4-5 feet away and at that distance small jaggedness isn't noticeable.

also it all depends on how people made their files to start with. because i want to print my maps i start the files at 150dpi instead of the default value in photoshop which is lower (can't remember what value but i think 72) so at least in theory this should provide me with a better quality for enlarged images.


here is a version that's 2ft*2ft. it's not good for a poster but it's great for use as a cardboard to play on. it still has graphic issues in some places but nothing that can't be dealt with a gradient instead of solid here a small blur there, a smoothing of the bevel in some places and we have a nice image.

unfortunately i don't have enough space on my HDD to make anything bigger but you get the idea.

actually you won't get the idea because photobucket doesn't allow the upload of such big files

in case you guys know a place where i can put a 4724*4499 px file let me know

edit// i actually managed to upload a lesser quality version on photobucket. i think they don't care about the resolution but they do care about the file size. remember this is worse than the best quality i have on my pc and thus it has even more issues.

the image is still too damn big and sorry if it causes lag upon lading this page.

edit 2// sorry my bad photobucket automatically resized it to 1024*962
i can't upload big files

[WidowMakers]

Use

http://www.fileden.com

Upload the image in a zip file and let others unzip it.

O host my xml here as well

[Bonzai]

You can always ask the mapmakers what they want for resizing their maps and allowing CC to sell them.

I guess some will be happy with a lifetime premium account or something.
Some won't but then you still can sell the other maps ^^

I don't know anything about the size, so I guass someone else has to solve that problem

[DiM]

Use

http://www.fileden.com

Upload the image in a zip file and let others unzip it.

O host my xml here as well

sorry but i have to create an account on fileden.
sendspace.com is free but they have a 300Mb limit

[Bonzai]

I still think it's a good idea so if the oportunity knocks your door one day, don't hesistate and let happinnes come in ^^





BTW Dim;
"Et tu, Brute" -> Caesar said those words in Greek ^^ lol
(As far as I know that is.)

[Coleman]

Lets suspend the problem some maps might have with becoming poster size and assume that we have a Shopkeeper that would know how to do it cleanly (which, as it so happens, we do).

Maps are owned by the creator and are used by lack with permission. Usually this permission is conducted via e-mail. In most cases (I'd assume) lack doesn't have the permission of the artist who owns the copyright to sell the maps for profit. This is a big reason why there are not premium only maps and the like, and it is a reason we can't sell maps in the store.

If he sold the ones in the store that he has permission to, then users may ask, "Why can't I buy x map." and then when they learn why x map's creator will fall under pressure to compromise his/her copyright that they shouldn't be.

So, while I would love to buy poster sized versions of the maps we have, it just isn't a feasible idea due to copyright concerns.

[Bonzai]

I don't know wheter lack is a very evil person, but I don't think so.

So guess (I really don't have a clue): If the makers actually GIVE their maps to lack, lack would be allowed to sell them, no ?

Of course the mapmakers have to thrust lack for 100% which is another problem.


The peer-pressure problem ...

Erm well, makers who dont want to enlarge their map and/or to make profit with it can just give their map to lack and let someone else enlarge it (that someone else would have to do it free of course) and if they just don't want their maps to be used as posters well then they won't be used for it.

Peer-pressure can be seen as spam etc and posters can be banded or something I don't know :$

[tallfella27]

There is software available to blow-up images for use in large print, although I've never used them. You really don't think ad companies build billboard files at 45 feet by 20 feet at 200 dpi?? Granted, you look at them from hundreds of feet away, but still. Look closely at a Coke or Pepsi machine next time you walk past one. You can easily see every pixel, but the graphics still look sharp from the viewing distance they were designed for.

I guess I don't really have a point, other than I think posters are a good idea. And the resolution / quality issue may be fixable with the purchase of specific software designed for that very issue.

[Bonzai]

I don't think it's worth the money to buy software ...

[tallfella27]

I agree ... just a thought on the matter

[DiM]

BTW Dim;
"Et tu, Brute" -> Caesar said those words in Greek ^^ lol
(As far as I know that is.)

the sig was executed according to the indications i received from the xigames clan.

plus latin is more known that ancient greek