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Tournaments Should Be Created With A Pot of Points
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Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:18 pmby Woodruff
(Changed suggestion based on Uncle Death's proposal)Concise description:- Tournaments should be created with each entrant providing a specified number of their points up front at risk
Specifics/Details:- Once a tournament is given tournament privileges, all entrants into the tournament put the given number of points (whatever it may be) into the pot, to be awarded to the winner.
How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:- Would provide a tangible reward for tournaments, the majority of which have no actual prize for the winner. This would seem to make tournaments a highly prized asset, and the competition level would undoubtedly increase tremendously.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:38 amby greenoaks
i don't like this
your score is a reflection of your overall ability & skill, regardless of whether it is obtained in non-tournament or tournament games
all games count, no exceptions
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:54 amby Night Strike
This is a bad idea. There are a lot of people who almost exclusively play only tournament games (like myself), so there would be no way to indicate what their true score is.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:24 amby Bones2484
Night Strike wrote:This is a bad idea. There are a lot of people who almost exclusively play only tournament games (like myself), so there would be no way to indicate what their true score is.
Ditto everything here.
In my opinion, playing in a variety of tournaments is the BEST indicator of skill. Take a look at how far Blitz crashed (down around 1500-2000) back when he was playing non-farming tournaments.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:26 pmby Woodruff
Your points are legitimate, I won't argue that. But it's unfortunate that it has such a negative impact on the activity within the tournaments themselves.
I can just see how great the Tournaments would become if this were the case.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:29 pmby IcePack
greenoaks wrote:i don't like this
your score is a reflection of your overall ability & skill, regardless of whether it is obtained in non-tournament or tournament games
all games count, no exceptions
x2
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:38 pmby phantomzero
While I don't think this should be passes, there are problems when hats and up enter terminator tournaments or open games for that matter. It was even like that in the Battle Royale games, the hats were targeted.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:57 pmby Uncle Death
What if in a tournament each player put up a certain amount of fixed points and rather than points being gained or lost for each game. Not until a player was eliminated or won would points be taken or awarded. It would be just like a poker tournament. If the organizer wanted to 2nd and 3rd place players could be rewarded as well. That might solve all issues related to point discrepancies between low and high ranked players.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:59 pmby Woodruff
Uncle Death wrote:What if in a tournament each player put up a certain amount of fixed points and rather than points being gained or lost for each game. Not until a player was eliminated or won would points be taken or awarded. It would be just like a poker tournament. If the organizer wanted to 2nd and 3rd place players could be rewarded as well. That might solve all issues related to point discrepancies between low and high ranked players.
That is a very interesting thought. Would give an actual prize to the winner of the non-premium tournaments (which obviously are the majority). I like it.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:33 pmby Uncle Death
Rethinking it a bit, I think we would have to put the points in up front. When you enter 100 points get deducted and go in to the pot. This could make tournaments the most popular games to get in to.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:46 pmby redhawk92
Uncle Death wrote:Rethinking it a bit, I think we would have to put the points in up front. When you enter 100 points get deducted and go in to the pot. This could make tournaments the most popular games to get in to.
amazing idea here
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:57 pmby Night Strike
Putting points into a pot would be virtually impossible without an automated tournament system that everyone had access to because it would be WAY too much work to do for every tournament with just the Directors.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:19 pmby Uncle Death
Night Strike wrote:Putting points into a pot would be virtually impossible without an automated tournament system that everyone had access to because it would be WAY too much work to do for every tournament with just the Directors.
It would require programming for sure. I can't imagine it not being automated. The question is can they do it and is it a good idea or not.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:56 pmby Woodruff
Night Strike wrote:Putting points into a pot would be virtually impossible without an automated tournament system that everyone had access to because it would be WAY too much work to do for every tournament with just the Directors.
Absolutely, I would presume something like this would have to be automated. I agree.
Uncle Death wrote:Night Strike wrote:Putting points into a pot would be virtually impossible without an automated tournament system that everyone had access to because it would be WAY too much work to do for every tournament with just the Directors.
It would require programming for sure. I can't imagine it not being automated. The question is can they do it and is it a good idea or not.
It seems pretty obvious they could do something like this. I'm not sure how easily, of course.
Potential downsides I can see:
1. Things would have to be set up so that tournament organizers could not screw over a non-tournament participator...in other words, how does the system know who has signed up for the tournament and who has not?
2. There would have to be a rule in place regarding a maximum number of points the tournament "point entry fee" could be set at, so as to avoid "high point only tournaments", which would violate the open-entry rule.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Created With A Pot of Points
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:15 pmby greenoaks
what a load of ....
the new suggestion should have gotten its own thread, not hijacked this one
Re: Tournaments Should Be Created With A Pot of Points
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:28 pmby Woodruff
greenoaks wrote:what a load of ....
the new suggestion should have gotten its own thread, not hijacked this one
Why? The original thread was quite quickly shot down with legitimate disagreements. It was not going to be approved, and rightly so. So why should I, as the thread originator, not alter my own suggestion?
Re: Tournaments Should Be Created With A Pot of Points
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:08 pmby greenoaks
Woodruff wrote:greenoaks wrote:what a load of ....
the new suggestion should have gotten its own thread, not hijacked this one
Why? The original thread was quite quickly shot down with legitimate disagreements. It was not going to be approved, and rightly so. So why should I, as the thread originator, not alter my own suggestion?
you didn't alter your suggestion
you replaced it with a totally different one
Re: Tournaments Should Be Created With A Pot of Points
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:53 pmby squishyg
I agree with Woody, the idea evolved into something different, which many ideas do. No need to clog up the forum by starting a new topic. I think it's helpful to have the old idea present so we can see why people didn't like it. It may help the conversation from going in circles.
Anyhow, I love the idea of a points wager! Perhaps one could be done as a special event, which could warrant the extra work on the tournament team's plate.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:46 pmby Evil Semp
greenoaks wrote:i don't like this
your score is a reflection of your overall ability & skill, regardless of whether it is obtained in non-tournament or tournament games
all games count, no exceptions
Night Strike wrote:This is a bad idea. There are a lot of people who almost exclusively play only tournament games (like myself), so there would be no way to indicate what their true score is.
Bones2484 wrote:Ditto everything here.
In my opinion, playing in a variety of tournaments is the BEST indicator of skill. Take a look at how far Blitz crashed (down around 1500-2000) back when he was playing non-farming tournaments.
All three say that this wouldn't be a true indicator of skill, but we all choose the games, oponents and tourneys that we play, so in reality is the point system a true indicator of your skill?
phantomzero wrote:While I don't think this should be passes, there are problems when hats and up enter terminator tournaments or open games for that matter. It was even like that in the Battle Royale games, the hats were targeted.
Couldn't the same be said about hats up targeting lower ranked players to protect their points?
I like woodys idea. A set amount of points for entering a tourney might bring in some of the higher ranked that don't play in tourneys because they are trying to protect their score.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Created With A Pot of Points
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:46 pmby Woodruff
greenoaks wrote:Woodruff wrote:greenoaks wrote:what a load of ....
the new suggestion should have gotten its own thread, not hijacked this one
Why? The original thread was quite quickly shot down with legitimate disagreements. It was not going to be approved, and rightly so. So why should I, as the thread originator, not alter my own suggestion?
you didn't alter your suggestion
I didn't? Then who did?
greenoaks wrote:you replaced it with a totally different one
Grab a dictionary.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Unrated Games
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Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:48 pmby Woodruff
Evil Semp wrote:I like woodys idea. A set amount of points for entering a tourney might bring in some of the higher ranked that don't play in tourneys because they are trying to protect their score.
Uncle Death's idea, but thank you. I just happen to be the channel he used.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Created With A Pot of Points
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Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:25 amby Uncle Death
greenoaks wrote:what a load of ....
the new suggestion should have gotten its own thread, not hijacked this one
I disagree, Woodruff simply liked my idea and it expanded his own efforts. I am flattered. I think most players would agree with this suggestion. It was Woodruff's original suggestion that got me thinking about this. Please consider it on the ideas merits.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Created With A Pot of Points
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Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:46 amby Night Strike
Bah, you should have made a new post saying you updated the first post because now it seems like all those posts on the first page are rejecting your new suggestion. Granted, I'm not a major fan of this idea, but I'm not heavily opposed to it like the original idea.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Created With A Pot of Points
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Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:25 amby Bones2484
I like this new idea. I dont know how possible it would be, but I think it's pretty cool.
Re: Tournaments Should Be Created With A Pot of Points
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Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:53 amby LFAW
I like this idea
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