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Make it possible to choose between bombarding and assaulting

PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:25 pm
by karelpietertje
Concise description:
  • Create an option to switch between assaults and bombarding

Specifics/Details:
  • In the game interaction menu have the word 'assault' be a dropdown list of 'assault' and 'bombard'
  • Have it change with every move made, i.e. show bombard if the From- and To-territories selected make a bombard combination and show assault otherwise.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • It will be possible to make maps with territories that can both attack and bombard other territories
  • There will be less confusion among new players regarding the bombard thing
  • You will not actually have to click it at all, until maps come out with the new game mechanic
  • In existing maps, when on a territory that has both Assault and Bombard routes to certain territories, one can easily have a choice between the assaultable regions and the bombardable regions. When moving through the Netherlands on WWII Western Europe, I can easily select the British territories by selecting 'Bombard'

Re: Make it possible to choose between bombarding and assaul

PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:33 pm
by blakebowling
I like this, I think bombarding should be allowed for territories that can assault, even if they aren't also set to bombard. That way you could choose to turn a territory down to a 1, and not get one of your troops stuck there.

Re: Make it possible to choose between bombarding and assaul

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:49 pm
by Nola_Lifer
I like this idea a lot. Wish they're more suggestions for maps.

Re: Make it possible to choose between bombarding and assaul

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:07 pm
by Qwert
not possible- from several reasons:
-Make confusion and these option will be against map legend.
-Hard to create multiple XTML for maps,who will then overlap main command (i think)

Re: Make it possible to choose between bombarding and assaul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:41 pm
by 40kguy
this would be awesome. it would be cool if you could advance a number of neutrals so it will look like you where never there and you could be a gost moving around the map.

Re: Make it possible to choose between bombarding and assaul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:21 pm
by rdsrds2120
The idea is good, but my main concern is interfacing. How would it show up on the screen to choose to either assault or bombard? Would it be a button? A popup? A defaulted checkbox? Just thinking ahead.

-rd

Re: Make it possible to choose between bombarding and assaul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:00 pm
by 40kguy
rdsrds2120 wrote:The idea is good, but my main concern is interfacing. How would it show up on the screen to choose to either assault or bombard? Would it be a button? A popup? A defaulted checkbox? Just thinking ahead.

-rd

I think KP said it would be button, maybe if you have clickys hold down B and right click for the bombard.

Re: Make it possible to choose between bombarding and assaul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:11 pm
by stahrgazer
karelpietertje wrote:How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
[*]There will be less confusion among new players regarding the bombard thing


erm.. no, this would confuse them more.

It would be interesting if some new maps could be made like this; but I wouldn't like to see existing maps changed if this became an option for all maps.

Re: Make it possible to choose between bombarding and assaul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:18 pm
by Qwert
he,i realy dont understand how you think that these will work
example-WII Western Front- in legen its write Bombardment no attack. and everything its writen in XMLt script- if its possibile to write two script for one map, then ok, but there is no chance to remove bombardment instructions in map.

Re: Make it possible to choose between bombarding and assaul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:40 pm
by karelpietertje
qwert, your map does not contain territories with attack routes to another territory that can both be bombard and assault.
The assault/bombard option will automatically switch to the right choice for every AttackFromTerritory and AttackToTerritory combination selected!

Not until some great maps have been made with the new option will people have a weird choice.
Gameplay of existing maps would not be altered (unless the original makers would want it, who knows), so no need to worry!

stahrgazer, it will not be another option per game. when people can see in the attack interface that there is 'bombarding' as well as 'assaulting', they will be way farther in understanding it than most people who first encounter it.

Also I imagine another advantage.
  • In existing maps, when on a territory that has both Assault and Bombard routes to certain territories, one can easily have a choice between the assaultable regions and the bombardable regions. When moving through the Netherlands on WWII Western Europe, I can easily select the British territories by selecting 'Bombard'

Re: Make it possible to choose between bombarding and assaul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:23 pm
by DJENRE
Could be a nice idea, but if u don't want to confuse new players with the "only" bombarding why do you want to set two options. That willl confuse people a lot more!!!

But the idea of bombarding OR attacking for some territories on some maps is quiet nice.

But remember that territories who can bombard are really often planes or artillery... how do those planes or artillery can conquer territories in real war?

Re: Make it possible to choose between bombarding and assaul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:57 am
by Qwert
"In existing maps, when on a territory that has both Assault and Bombard routes to certain territories, one can easily have a choice between the assaultable regions and the bombardable regions. When moving through the Netherlands on WWII Western Europe, I can easily select the British territories by selecting 'Bombard'"
maybe you ,like experience player will understand these,but many new player will be confused-what abouth Waterloo? You can present two option, but new player will follow instructions on map.
I think that these is not possible to create, but maybe some tech mod will give more info abouth these.

Re: Make it possible to choose between bombarding and assaul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:36 pm
by PLAYER57832
I think this idea has potential, but what about adding it as a feature to some new maps, first? That would help determine where it will and won't work, etc. Also, it would not necessarily take admin approval (?), it might be implemented far more quickly.

qwert wrote:"In existing maps, when on a territory that has both Assault and Bombard routes to certain territories, one can easily have a choice between the assaultable regions and the bombardable regions. When moving through the Netherlands on WWII Western Europe, I can easily select the British territories by selecting 'Bombard'"
maybe you ,like experience player will understand these,but many new player will be confused-what abouth Waterloo? You can present two option, but new player will follow instructions on map.
I think that these is not possible to create, but maybe some tech mod will give more info abouth these.

I have a couple of comments here. First, it might work on some maps, but not all. In general, it seems the territories that have bombardment have specifically been designed to use that as a feature apart from a standard attack. Unlike additions such as fog, etc, which are more universal changes, that may or may not work, but are pretty universal in their impact on maps, changing from bombardment to assult would fundamentally change many maps. That is, I see bombardment as a specific map feature, and something up to the designer, like routes and other map features, not an overall map attribute like fog or the number of players. As a designer yourself, I would like to see you design a map with this option, but I am not sure I want it as a universal option.

Second, per the confusion aspect. This is an ongoing problems. I have commented more than once that I thought some instructions were confusing. It is hard to be both brief and clear. Since many of the newer and more complicated maps are already crowded, designers are naturally reluctant to add more details. Maybe some kind of "drop down" box could be added.. one that goes into details for those who wish to get the greater detail? However, ultimately, the real issue is that many people just won't take the time to read a map. Those same people are often the same ones who then go and complain about the "unfairness" of maps and so forth. To me, that really gets down to maturity and its not something CC can fix. Or, maybe the "fix" is just that some people don't belong here. (or need to come back when they grow up a bit).

Re: Make it possible to choose between bombarding and assaul

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:09 am
by Queen_Herpes
karelpietertje wrote:Concise description:
  • Create an option to switch between assaults and bombarding

Specifics/Details:
  • In the game interaction menu have the word 'assault' be a dropdown list of 'assault' and 'bombard'
  • Have it change with every move made, i.e. show bombard if the From- and To-territories selected make a bombard combination and show assault otherwise.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • It will be possible to make maps with territories that can both attack and bombard other territories
  • There will be less confusion among new players regarding the bombard thing
  • You will not actually have to click it at all, until maps come out with the new game mechanic
  • In existing maps, when on a territory that has both Assault and Bombard routes to certain territories, one can easily have a choice between the assaultable regions and the bombardable regions. When moving through the Netherlands on WWII Western Europe, I can easily select the British territories by selecting 'Bombard'


This could really help some players to stay alive in games when it appears that all hope has been lost. I like this as a new game setting, but I can see how some players would have an issue with it if it were to be part of every game. Moving in zero armies and sparing your troops for other purposes is a great, great idea.