Inform community about community related punishments

[Queen_Herpes]

*edited to specification and based on responses:

Concise description:
Inform the Conquer Club Community about community related punishments like

• chat, forum, PM and wall posting bans and warnings
• ratings bans and warnings
• multiple accounts
• guested accounts
• other bans that prevent users from accessing the site for any length of time
• accounts that have violated rules regarding game codes, hacking, and use of outlawed scripts

Per suggestion from eddie2, create a locked and stickied thread in the C&A Forum titled "busts"
Post all punishments (not warnings) as a response to the thread like this:

• Comment: Queen Herpes [Forum Ban] (Include more information if necessary or per personal choice of the C&A mod who is posting.
• Comment: Queen Herpes [Multis] (Include more information if necessary or per personal choice of the C&A mod who is posting.) Per suggestion from AAFitz, include the total number of multiple accounts created. Also per suggestion from AAFitz, include the names of the banned usernames in the event that the usernames created are similar and can be recognized in the future.
• Comment: Queen Herpes [Communication Ban 1 month ends July 27, 2010] (Include more information if necessary or personal choice of the C&A mod who is posting.)

Removed from this suggestion, but hopefully something that can be considered in the future:
Create a Button for the wall of the offending member so that players can go to a wall to see the information without having to search the forum:

• some methodology to create a signal on the wall of a player who is serving a temporary ban from the game
• some methodology to create a signal on the wall of a player who is serving a communication ban
• Any similar or related signals that help players to know what they might face when choosing to play with or against a certain player (some stay forever, others only for duration of punishment so that players don't try to collect ban buttons, but that some important ones like script abuse and multiple accounts do stay forever.)

Specifics/Details:

• In general, as this is a community, and the community generally informs the C&A mods and the admins about potential violations, it would help those community members who wish to help keep the site as free of violation as possible if a potential offender has offended before.
• It helps players in team games to know if their teammate can read or post in game chat
• It helps players looking to play with or against certain other players to know if they can read and respond to an invite sent for games lest the slot get filled with an unknown player when the invite times out
• If helps players to know whether a potential opponent or teammate has been involved with creating multiple accounts so that they don't get involved in a game where the previous offender suddenly gets banned, or the previous offender perpetrates activities in the game that would cause a detrimental effect on the game
• It helps friends on conquerclub to know when their conquerclub friend cannot respond or cannot read their messages...so they know if their conquerclub friend isn't ignoring them
• It helps players to know whether a potential opponent has used illegal scripts in the past. While a player can still join the one-time offender's game, their eyes are opened and can keep aware for further violations either in game or afterward.
• It helps players to know what they can expect if a potential opponent has been caught for ratings violations in the past.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:

• It will be a happier community that knows what is going on, without any secretive or misleading information posted. Members will know that all information about violations is posted in the C&A Forum in closed reports and that a simple forum search for any user's name will pull up threads and posts that can be informative of a player's history on the site.
• More communication is always better than less communication.

[Nola_Lifer]

Could be an addition to the new letter. Kinda like the crime section in most papers. Wonder who got a DWI this week

It will also get more people interested in the news letter.

[TheForgivenOne]

Quite simply it has never been cc's policy to discuss private matters between us and the users....we respect their privacy. If you are curious pm them yourselves. We however wont.

It is THERE privacy. I will be getting a Multi Hunter in here to further evaluate what i quoted.

[Queen_Herpes]

Quite simply it has never been cc's policy to discuss private matters between us and the users....we respect their privacy. If you are curious pm them yourselves. We however wont.

It is THERE privacy. I will be getting a Multi Hunter in here to further evaluate what i quoted.

Exactly, I am looking to amend official policy here as it relates to information that can be helpful to the community. It is better for the community to know that an offender is in their midst than to not know. More communication is better than none.

[JoshyBoy]

So this suggestion is to majorly overhaul one on TeamCC's major policies? We are going to start branding people? I can perhaps see some potential benefits but I doubt this will be happening. I think we should wait for some admin input.

[clapper011]

while I fully understand the need to know when someone is busted.... I do not see the need or understand the need to know if someone has been banned..perhaps for how long.. but the reasons are as policy kept private unless the user that is affected feels the need to release that information. But it would not be given by any member of team cc

[Queen_Herpes]

So this suggestion is to majorly overhaul one on TeamCC's major policies? We are going to start branding people? I can perhaps see some potential benefits but I doubt this will be happening. I think we should wait for some admin input.

Maybe the branding part of the sug is too much, but the important part is to effectively communicate to the members. While the admin may provide some input, since this is a community-based site, I would think the community's voice would be an important one to wait for. Imagine how effective the site could be if players were informed about other players who have previously committed offenses in games. Imagine the lack of confusion there would be if players knew when their friends were serving a forum ban or a PM ban. But, most importantly, imagine how positive players would be if they knew they avoided a catastrophe by not joining a game with a repeat ratings abuser or a repeat script abuser. Similarly, think about how much help a member of the community could provide if they knew an opponent had previously been busted for multiple accounts and they recognized more of the same behavior in a 6-player FFA.

[Queen_Herpes]

while I fully understand the need to know when someone is busted.... I do not see the need or understand the need to know if someone has been banned..perhaps for how long.. but the reasons are as policy kept private unless the user that is affected feels the need to release that information. But it would not be given by any member of team cc

If they were banned for life...probably not necessary to post that as the player will never ever never come back to post or play again. But if they are serving a ban from which they are allowed to return, the community would benefit from knowing for the reasons already mentioned.

[TheForgivenOne]

So this suggestion is to majorly overhaul one on TeamCC's major policies? We are going to start branding people? I can perhaps see some potential benefits but I doubt this will be happening. I think we should wait for some admin input.

Maybe the branding part of the sug is too much, but the important part is to effectively communicate to the members. While the admin may provide some input, since this is a community-based site, I would think the community's voice would be an important one to wait for. Imagine how effective the site could be if players were informed about other players who have previously committed offenses in games. Imagine the lack of confusion there would be if players knew when their friends were serving a forum ban or a PM ban. But, most importantly, imagine how positive players would be if they knew they avoided a catastrophe by not joining a game with a repeat ratings abuser or a repeat script abuser. Similarly, think about how much help a member of the community could provide if they knew an opponent had previously been busted for multiple accounts and they recognized more of the same behavior in a 6-player FFA.

This would take a MAJOR project done. Because the Multi Hunters/King Achilles, would have to go to each and ever user busted, and add a reason as to why they are Guests. There are currently 26 661 users that are on the Guests list. Plus they would have to go to users that were wiped off the site. PLUS they would have to go to each and every single player that was warned for SD, for RA, deadbeating, teammate killing, etc etc. I don't think you know how much work would have to be put into the site for this to happen. The Multi Hunters would have to put in a TON of man hours to get it up to date. And for what? So someone can know why a person was busted? You see them kicked out of violating a rule. Hmm, i think you can take a guess as to WHY they were kicked. Being a Multi. Does it really matter to you as to why someone, you have never heard of, was kicked? out?

[jefjef]

CC is a business. Transactions between businesses and it's customers are and should be mostly private.

[clapper011]

while I fully understand the need to know when someone is busted.... I do not see the need or understand the need to know if someone has been banned..perhaps for how long.. but the reasons are as policy kept private unless the user that is affected feels the need to release that information. But it would not be given by any member of team cc

If they were banned for life...probably not necessary to post that as the player will never ever never come back to post or play again. But if they are serving a ban from which they are allowed to return, the community would benefit from knowing for the reasons already mentioned.

im not so sure i agree to its "benefit" but perhaps knowing how long they are gone for would be more appropriate. but the reason/s for them being gone..really are not needed to know by any other then the person that is indeed banned.

[Queen_Herpes]

im not so sure i agree to its "benefit" but perhaps knowing how long they are gone for would be more appropriate. but the reason/s for them being gone..really are not needed to know by any other then the person that is indeed banned.

Um, hi, of course other people need to know if a player is serving a short term ban of any type! What if you're conquerclub friends with that player? What if you're in team games with that player? You would want to know. Once a ban is enacted (for whatever length of time) the punished player cannot alert other players.

[Queen_Herpes]

So this suggestion is to majorly overhaul one on TeamCC's major policies? We are going to start branding people? I can perhaps see some potential benefits but I doubt this will be happening. I think we should wait for some admin input.

Maybe the branding part of the sug is too much, but the important part is to effectively communicate to the members. While the admin may provide some input, since this is a community-based site, I would think the community's voice would be an important one to wait for. Imagine how effective the site could be if players were informed about other players who have previously committed offenses in games. Imagine the lack of confusion there would be if players knew when their friends were serving a forum ban or a PM ban. But, most importantly, imagine how positive players would be if they knew they avoided a catastrophe by not joining a game with a repeat ratings abuser or a repeat script abuser. Similarly, think about how much help a member of the community could provide if they knew an opponent had previously been busted for multiple accounts and they recognized more of the same behavior in a 6-player FFA.

This would take a MAJOR project done. Because the Multi Hunters/King Achilles, would have to go to each and ever user busted, and add a reason as to why they are Guests. There are currently 26 661 users that are on the Guests list. Plus they would have to go to users that were wiped off the site. PLUS they would have to go to each and every single player that was warned for SD, for RA, deadbeating, teammate killing, etc etc. I don't think you know how much work would have to be put into the site for this to happen. The Multi Hunters would have to put in a TON of man hours to get it up to date. And for what? So someone can know why a person was busted? You see them kicked out of violating a rule. Hmm, i think you can take a guess as to WHY they were kicked. Being a Multi. Does it really matter to you as to why someone, you have never heard of, was kicked? out?

OK, I see your concern here TFO. However, I think it can be implemented as a "going forward" or "mark them as you go." I did not intend that all bans and guesting from time immemorial needed to to be noted. No need for "ex post facto law" and no need to be retroactive.

[Woodruff]

im not so sure i agree to its "benefit" but perhaps knowing how long they are gone for would be more appropriate. but the reason/s for them being gone..really are not needed to know by any other then the person that is indeed banned.

Um, hi, of course other people need to know if a player is serving a short term ban of any type! What if you're conquerclub friends with that player? What if you're in team games with that player? You would want to know. Once a ban is enacted (for whatever length of time) the punished player cannot alert other players.

If you're actually friends, then you should be able to contact one another via other means (email, MSN, etc...). If you can't, then you're not really friends. As to team games...it seems to me that if you play with the same player as a team regularly, you should set up how to keep in contact should something like this happen, just to protect yourself.

I agree with the others who have stated that it's none of our damn business WHY someone has received a particular ban unless that individual wishes to make it public.

[lord voldemort]

if your team mate is banned as well they can always post in game chat...or use live chat.

There is absolute 0 chance of this policy changing

[Queen_Herpes]

if your team mate is banned as well they can always post in game chat...or use live chat.

There is absolute 0 chance of this policy changing

Well, I appreciate your position, and like the other volunteers I'm interested in hearing from the admin. This is less important for an individual player in a team game or a friend of a player who gets a ban and much more important for members of the community who are keeping their eyes open for violations from other players. This helps players who may otherwise feel like their suspicions are unfounded to know that they are on the right path if the person is a repeat offender.

[eddie2]

ok i can see where queen herpes is coming from

i think you are missing the point clapper and lv


ok look at it this way i was given a 24 hour vacation on the day i usually update my tourneys and came back to a lot of messages asking if everything was ok.

so my ban was for posting some thing in the bumpage and clapper gave me a 24 hour ban.(i am not complaining about this.)

so what could of happened was clapper banned me then she could of went to the busted/unbusted users page and posted eddie2 24 hour vacation. thats easy to do i also see that you are saying this would not be possible for privacy reasons what a load of crap that one is
if you cheat we have a right to no it and if this privacy thing is correct then the c and a mods are breaking it on a daily basis by posting there findings in the threads.

i do like the idea of a crimes page but this would not work very well unless the c and a mods are willing to pass on the information to you

[king sam]

QH this was a very well thought out sugg and very well put togehter but no matter the logical reasons you can formulate as others have said the privacy of an individual will remain in tact and thus this will not get approved.

It is everyones right to have the adminstrative matters on violations of their accounts and private lives remain private.

[eddie2]

It is everyones right to have the adminstrative matters on violations of their accounts and private lives remain private.

we are not asking about private lives information to be put out in the forums. what is being asked is that if you bust a multi or someone for breeching community guidelines have a locked thread where you post this. or even the same if somone is busted as a multi and they get the bust over turned post this as well.

it is not that hard to do and will also help if somebody comes across a player and thinks there is somthing sus about it they post some of the times you have dealt with it in a e ticket so we are wasting our time posting about it.

[JoshyBoy]

jefjef, lordvoldemort, and king sam all make excellent points. Once we hear from an admin, I will move this topic to where it belongs. I've asked Andy to look at it, just to make things clear.

Cheers, JB

[eddie2]

hi there joshy have a look at the c and a page what does it say

Closed C&A Reports
All previously decided cases. Please check here before opening a new case.

now all we are saying is people who get dealt with in e tickets there is no way to check before you post. so all that is getting asked is that we are given the chance to do what you are asking before we post.

[JoshyBoy]

QH this was a very well thought out sugg and very well put togehter but no matter the logical reasons you can formulate as others have said the privacy of an individual will remain in tact and thus this will not get approved.

It is everyones right to have the adminstrative matters on violations of their accounts and private lives remain private.

There is absolute 0 chance of this policy changing

[eddie2]

like i said before you have just quoted ks so here is a quote

erin_m Busted with other accounts.

KS

so where is the privacy of erin there is none because he was busted as a multi and we were informed of this. and this case was not a case about him.



lol do we need more quotes from all the hunters

[JoshyBoy]

like i said before you have just quoted ks so here is a quote

erin_m Busted with other accounts.

KS

so where is the privacy of erin there is none because he was busted as a multi and we were informed of this. and this case was not a case about him.



lol do we need more quotes from all the hunters

So what you are saying now is that we should not tell you when we bust someone? How is that going to work? You are being flippant eddie.

[eddie2]

no what i am saying is the reason given is privacy of e tickets. but when you suspect someone you have 2 options for reporting it

1)fill out a c and a (where all can see it and the results)

2)e ticket (no record for us to see)

now there are many reasons for filling in a e ticket

1)you don't want to look like a grass.

2)you could be reporting somebody you know

3)you can't be arsed to do all the links for the c and a post

now i do think op went a bit over the top with what she was asking but a simple thread that is locked that says

eddie2 busted multi
eddie2 busted pm abuse
eddie2 warned pm abuse.
eddie2 busted for being drunk again

this will keep us in the know when filling out c and a reports like i said it does ask us

Closed C&A Reports
All previously decided cases. Please check here before opening a new case.


so let us do what you are asking