Conquer Club

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:25 am**

Concise description:

remove all threads and forums that have nothing to do with gaming

Specifics:

get rid of all these threads where people can post extremist posts and random posts just to start trouble.

This will improve the following aspects of the site:

Will make this an actually gaming site instead of a political or religious forum
Will save lots of time and headaches when people who do not like others views post them in Cheating and abuse threads
when you click on a thread, it will actually be about a game, game related, or a game itself.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:51 am**

You should compare those fora to the real world.

Without brothels, I believe, there would be a whole lot more raping going on. Brothels are a place were people can get some without getting in trouble.

If you close all those fora, the people posting there would be obliged to go to you precious 'gaming fora'.

Is that really what you want?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:10 am**

Streaker wrote:You should compare those fora to the real world.

Without brothels, I believe, there would be a whole lot more raping going on. Brothels are a place were people can get some without getting in trouble.

If you close all those fora, the people posting there would be obliged to go to you precious 'gaming fora'.

Is that really what you want?

you fail to see the point. Those fora exist in other places, example: http://www.youdebate.com/

why do we need to have theses forums in a website that promotes itself as a gaming website and no t a debating website?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:28 pm**

Rainbow Eater wrote:Concise description:
remove all threads and forums that have nothing to do with gaming
Specifics:
get rid of all these threads where people can post extremist posts and random posts just to start trouble.
This will improve the following aspects of the site:
Will make this an actually gaming site instead of a political or religious forum
Will same lots of time and headaches when people who do not like others views post them in Cheating and abuse threads
when you click on a thread, it will actually be about a game, game related, or a game itself.

You wonder...and yet you don't think. How is that possible?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:54 pm**

Woodruff wrote:
Rainbow Eater wrote:Concise description:
remove all threads and forums that have nothing to do with gaming
Specifics:
get rid of all these threads where people can post extremist posts and random posts just to start trouble.
This will improve the following aspects of the site:
Will make this an actually gaming site instead of a political or religious forum
Will same lots of time and headaches when people who do not like others views post them in Cheating and abuse threads
when you click on a thread, it will actually be about a game, game related, or a game itself.

You wonder...and yet you don't think. How is that possible?

you cancel all threads not pertaining to gaming and lock and erase all threads not pertaining to gaming. Same way they got rid of flame wars. mmmmmm seems like I am thinking.........

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:55 pm**

CC is a wonderful gaming site, yet it is a horrible soapbox. There are other site for such posts and debates.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:00 pm**

If you don't like off topic discussions don't go to the off topic section. Pretty much any site with a forum has an off topic section. What makes this site different?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:01 pm**

Frigidus wrote:If you don't like off topic discussions don't go to the off topic section. Pretty much any site with a forum has an off topic section. What makes this site different?

off topic sections also contain games.........

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:02 pm**

Frigidus wrote:If you don't like off topic discussions don't go to the off topic section. Pretty much any site with a forum has an off topic section. What makes this site different?

Seriously. I mean, there's a flame wars forum and if people don't want to engage in flame wars they don't have to go there, so why get rid of it? Oh wait...

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:05 pm**

thegreekdog wrote:
Frigidus wrote:If you don't like off topic discussions don't go to the off topic section. Pretty much any site with a forum has an off topic section. What makes this site different?

Seriously. I mean, there's a flame wars forum and if people don't want to engage in flame wars they don't have to go there, so why get rid of it? Oh wait...

True, look at what happened when they got rid of flame wars. Flaming didn't disappear, it just blended with the off topics. It was naive to think that getting rid of part of the forum would make people stop being nasty towards each other on the internet.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:09 pm**

Frigidus wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Frigidus wrote:If you don't like off topic discussions don't go to the off topic section. Pretty much any site with a forum has an off topic section. What makes this site different?

Seriously. I mean, there's a flame wars forum and if people don't want to engage in flame wars they don't have to go there, so why get rid of it? Oh wait...

True, look at what happened when they got rid of flame wars. Flaming didn't disappear, it just blended with the off topics. It was naive to think that getting rid of part of the forum would make people stop being nasty towards each other on the internet.

what is funny is that people come to website called conquer club which is a web site to play risk and other dice driven, strategic based games to post their views on religion and politics.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:12 pm**

What? Risk-style game playing and NO TALKING POLITICS AND RELIGION???? Risk and Politics is like Peanut Butter and Jelly! That's why FLAME WARS needs to come back! If all I do in the forum is talk about how bad the intensity cube generator is or rat on people for suspected cheating/abuse, I would hardly ever spend any time whatsoever in the forums. It would be quite lame without fora to talk about everyday issues and a chance to JUST HAVE FUN! There are many friends that have come together on CC and would be shattered if CC got rid of MonkeyBusiness (although they could change the name). Isn't it enough that FLamE Wars was given the ax?

Members that enjoy conversing about subjects that are not indicative to only gaming shouldn't be alienated.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:13 pm**

Rainbow Eater wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Frigidus wrote:If you don't like off topic discussions don't go to the off topic section. Pretty much any site with a forum has an off topic section. What makes this site different?

Seriously. I mean, there's a flame wars forum and if people don't want to engage in flame wars they don't have to go there, so why get rid of it? Oh wait...

True, look at what happened when they got rid of flame wars. Flaming didn't disappear, it just blended with the off topics. It was naive to think that getting rid of part of the forum would make people stop being nasty towards each other on the internet.

what is funny is that people come to website called conquer club which is a web site to play risk and other dice driven, strategic based games to post their views on religion and politics.

I still don't see why you want to destroy a forum community and deal with the inevitable spillover into general section when it is entirely possible to just not click on the Monkey Business link. If you want to go straight to the forum games you can do that as well. So what's your motive?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:25 pm**

Frigidus wrote:
Rainbow Eater wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Frigidus wrote:If you don't like off topic discussions don't go to the off topic section. Pretty much any site with a forum has an off topic section. What makes this site different?

Seriously. I mean, there's a flame wars forum and if people don't want to engage in flame wars they don't have to go there, so why get rid of it? Oh wait...

True, look at what happened when they got rid of flame wars. Flaming didn't disappear, it just blended with the off topics. It was naive to think that getting rid of part of the forum would make people stop being nasty towards each other on the internet.

what is funny is that people come to website called conquer club which is a web site to play risk and other dice driven, strategic based games to post their views on religion and politics.

I still don't see why you want to destroy a forum community and deal with the inevitable spillover into general section when it is entirely possible to just not click on the Monkey Business link. If you want to go straight to the forum games you can do that as well. So what's your motive?

Just because things do exist, or did exist, does not mean they should exist.

There will be spill over, but only for a while. If there is no place for people to post nonsense, and end up posting nonsense in places where people actually care, they will be reported and removed. People should have no problem respecting this if this is what CC chooses to do, unless people actually want to disrupt what CC is doing. Those people do not last long and eventually go elsewhere to do this disruptions.

There are other more qualified websites that deal with off tropics, not only in great depth but with greater intellect. I would figure that if people want to engage in that sort of activity, they would want to go to places like that and not a web site based on gaming. Go to a gaming website to engage in gaming and go to a political forum to post you views on politics. Not really that hard to understand is it?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:37 pm**

Rainbow Eater wrote:
Frigidus wrote:Just because things do exist, or did exist, does not mean they should exist.

There will be spill over, but only for a while. If there is no place for people to post nonsense, and end up posting nonsense in places where people actually care, they will be reported and removed. People should have no problem respecting this if this is what CC chooses to do, unless people actually want to disrupt what CC is doing. Those people do not last long and eventually go elsewhere to do this disruptions.

There are other more qualified websites that deal with off tropics, not only in great depth but with greater intellect. I would figure that if people want to engage in that sort of activity, they would want to go to places like that and not a web site based on gaming. Go to a gaming website to engage in gaming and go to a political forum to post you views on politics. Not really that hard to understand is it?

Actually, it is hard to understand. A forum devoted strictly to political issues would have a much different flavor than an off topics section of a site like this. Also, I'm still not clear on why you care about the existence of a forum you don't frequent.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:40 pm**

Frigidus wrote:
Rainbow Eater wrote:
Frigidus wrote:Just because things do exist, or did exist, does not mean they should exist.

There will be spill over, but only for a while. If there is no place for people to post nonsense, and end up posting nonsense in places where people actually care, they will be reported and removed. People should have no problem respecting this if this is what CC chooses to do, unless people actually want to disrupt what CC is doing. Those people do not last long and eventually go elsewhere to do this disruptions.

There are other more qualified websites that deal with off tropics, not only in great depth but with greater intellect. I would figure that if people want to engage in that sort of activity, they would want to go to places like that and not a web site based on gaming. Go to a gaming website to engage in gaming and go to a political forum to post you views on politics. Not really that hard to understand is it?

Actually, it is hard to understand. A forum devoted strictly to political issues would have a much different flavor than an off topics section of a site like this. Also, I'm still not clear on why you care about the existence of a forum you don't frequent.

there are forums on these topics, just not on this site.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:46 pm**

Rainbow Eater wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
Rainbow Eater wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Seriously. I mean, there's a flame wars forum and if people don't want to engage in flame wars they don't have to go there, so why get rid of it? Oh wait...

True, look at what happened when they got rid of flame wars. Flaming didn't disappear, it just blended with the off topics. It was naive to think that getting rid of part of the forum would make people stop being nasty towards each other on the internet.

what is funny is that people come to website called conquer club which is a web site to play risk and other dice driven, strategic based games to post their views on religion and politics.

I still don't see why you want to destroy a forum community and deal with the inevitable spillover into general section when it is entirely possible to just not click on the Monkey Business link. If you want to go straight to the forum games you can do that as well. So what's your motive?

Just because things do exist, or did exist, does not mean they should exist.

There will be spill over, but only for a while. If there is no place for people to post nonsense, and end up posting nonsense in places where people actually care, they will be reported and removed. People should have no problem respecting this if this is what CC chooses to do, unless people actually want to disrupt what CC is doing. Those people do not last long and eventually go elsewhere to do this disruptions.

There are other more qualified websites that deal with off tropics, not only in great depth but with greater intellect. I would figure that if people want to engage in that sort of activity, they would want to go to places like that and not a web site based on gaming. Go to a gaming website to engage in gaming and go to a political forum to post you views on politics. Not really that hard to understand is it?

Or, we could go to one place and get both the game and the community associated with the game and all the fun that goes with it. The fact that you don't care for a particular type of discussion doesn't mean that it is not a positive, healthy contribution to the forum.

Like, really, your only argument for reducing the forum is that you don't like politics and nonsense on your game site. I don't know if you've noticed, but there are thirteen fora dedicated to the game (not including the international fora), and one dedicated to off-topic discussion. That's a pretty lopsided ratio (which is the way it should be on a game site). Why this bothers you is beyond me. You definitely don't have to go to the off-topic forum.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:50 pm**

Neoteny wrote:
Or, we could go to one place and get both the game and the community associated with the game and all the fun that goes with it. The fact that you don't care for a particular type of discussion doesn't mean that it is not a positive, healthy contribution to the forum.

Like, really, your only argument for reducing the forum is that you don't like politics and nonsense on your game site. I don't know if you've noticed, but there are thirteen fora dedicated to the game (not including the international fora), and one dedicated to off-topic discussion. That's a pretty lopsided ratio (which is the way it should be on a game site). Why this bothers you is beyond me. You definitely don't have to go to the off-topic forum.

why it doesn't bother you is beyond me. you don't have to come conquer club to post your views. there are hundreds of other of websites dedicated to political and religious debates, yet how many websites like conquer club? talk about a lopsided ratio.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:54 pm**

Ah yes, but the other websites don't necessarily have the interesting people like yourself. To be honest, the people in off-topic are one of the main reasons I've stuck around as long as I have (and contributed my share of premium-pay to lack). I don't claim to be a typical case, but there are positives to having an off-topic community. Cutting that out will affect the site significantly, and I don't see it being as positive as you are hoping.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:55 pm**

Neoteny wrote:Ah yes, but the other websites don't necessarily have the interesting people like yourself. To be honest, the people in off-topic are one of the main reasons I've stuck around as long as I have (and contributed my share of premium-pay to lack). I don't claim to be a typical case, but there are positives to having an off-topic community. Cutting that out will affect the site significantly, and I don't see it being as positive as you are hoping.

so if they all go else where you would to and wouldn't mind because you would all be together

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:00 pm**

It's been tried before, and was largely unsuccessful. But I can honestly say that if it could be pulled off, I wouldn't take issue with it.

But here is convenient (since I do still play a couple of games here and there) and fairly well moderated nowadays.

Question: how many people do you think are scared off by the off-topics forum? Is it better business to keep it or to lose it?

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:00 pm**

Rainbow Eater wrote:
Neoteny wrote:Ah yes, but the other websites don't necessarily have the interesting people like yourself. To be honest, the people in off-topic are one of the main reasons I've stuck around as long as I have (and contributed my share of premium-pay to lack). I don't claim to be a typical case, but there are positives to having an off-topic community. Cutting that out will affect the site significantly, and I don't see it being as positive as you are hoping.

so if they all go else where you would to and wouldn't mind because you would all be together

We tried it, it didn't work.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:03 pm**

Rainbow Eater wrote:
Neoteny wrote:Ah yes, but the other websites don't necessarily have the interesting people like yourself. To be honest, the people in off-topic are one of the main reasons I've stuck around as long as I have (and contributed my share of premium-pay to lack). I don't claim to be a typical case, but there are positives to having an off-topic community. Cutting that out will affect the site significantly, and I don't see it being as positive as you are hoping.

so if they all go else where you would to and wouldn't mind because you would all be together

The problem with this is, the off-topics community has been developing for the last 4 years, and has become a sort of family (granted, one from hell, but a family nonetheless). And to take that away and force dozens of posters away, some of whom have been around since 2006-2007, would hurt CC. And like you said, there are hundreds of other debate/off-topics forums, so this community would be destroyed just so some person who has been on less than a year doesn't have to see Off-topics.

Pisses me off.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:27 pm**

The ideological debates stay confined (for the most part) to Off-Topics. I think it's the best part of CC, but if you don't like it there then don't go in! Consider yourself lucky- the forum is less hostile now than it was when I joined.

Posted: **Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:57 pm**

I have an excellent real-life parallel to this thread:

In the 1962 US Supreme Court decision of Smith v. State of Ohio*, the Court was faced with a difficult decision. Jim Smith operated a child porn ring in Cleveland, Ohio. The police in Cleveland shut down Mr. Smith's pornography store. Mr. Smith sued the state as violating his First Amendment right to free speech. Ohio argued that Mr. Smith's speech was not protected under the US Constitution.

Instead of determining that Mr. Smith's speech was not protected under the First Amendment, the Court held that no speech was protected under the First Amendment. They felt that if no one was allowed to talk, then no one would be able to make child pornography.

STOP TRYING TO ELIMINATE THE FUN PARTS OF THE WEBSITE JUST BECAUSE OF SOME ASSHOLES!!! There are rules in place for dealing with those people.

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