Point bonus for knocking players out?

[Womble]

Hello fellow my fellow conks,

I just had a wee though tregarding bonus points for knocking oppenents out in normal games. I often play in games with 6 people and sometimes knock 2,3 or sometimes all of them out to win the game.

My suggestion is that could we maybe get a 3 point bonus added to our overall score as we knock out a fellow player. And i think that if you knock out every player yourself on the way to a win maybe double the winning points or just a simple 50 point bonus?

Just an idea - its because i've been invloved in a few games now that i have ended up losing 1 on 1 where i have knocked out most of the players throughout the game. Don't get me wrong the winner should get the points for winning, its just sometimes i feel a wee bit empty losing 30+ points in a game i really helped open up by seeing opportunitys and taking out players for card gain and the ultimate game win in sight.

I just noticed terminator does this to a point - but i still thing normal 24hr sequential games should too.
As i said though, its just a thought. What are folks opinions?[/i]

[XenHu]

Hello fellow my fellow conks,

I just had a wee though tregarding bonus points for knocking oppenents out in normal games. I often play in games with 6 people and sometimes knock 2,3 or sometimes all of them out to win the game.

My suggestion is that could we maybe get a 3 point bonus added to our overall score as we knock out a fellow player. And i think that if you knock out every player yourself on the way to a win maybe double the winning points or just a simple 50 point bonus?

Just an idea - its because i've been invloved in a few games now that i have ended up losing 1 on 1 where i have knocked out most of the players throughout the game. Don't get me wrong the winner should get the points for winning, its just sometimes i feel a wee bit empty losing 30+ points in a game i really helped open up by seeing opportunitys and taking out players for card gain and the ultimate game win in sight.

As i said though, its just a thought. What are folks opinions?[/i]

We have it already. It's called Terminator.



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[wcaclimbing]

Terminator is fun.
Points for each kill.
Go try it.

[Wisse]

its called terminator but you don't get a bonus for killing the last one

[spiesr]

I just noticed terminator does this to a point - but i still thing normal 24hr sequential games should do

Terminator can be 24 hours and sequential

[thedude13]

You guys are missing the point. Womble is asking for a few extra points, not the full points you get in a terminator game. Besides, if the answer is simply play a terminator game instead, then why even have a standard game in the first place? They're both the same in every aspect, except the points area. The fact is, some people are just to greedy to want to play a terminator game and risk only getting one players points at the end of any given game; but would most-likely not mind sharing a few points here and there with other players who basically helped them when in the first place, in a Standard game.

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[misterman10]

I think this suggestion is a wee bit too dumb because we already have terminator. Its your wee bit fault that you didn't win the game, because the point of wee standard games are not to knock out opponents, but to WIN the game. Maybe you should change your strategy so you win, instead of knocking out other players. If you enjoy knocking out players, its a wee little thing called terminator.

[Beastly]

I just won the game, and because it was sequential cards, I took out everyone on one turn..

It doesn't happen very often, I think it might give a twist on strategy if you want to have extra points, to take everyone out by yourself.

I don't know if this would be applicable, but it would be a nice bonus.

[spiesr]

Where would the extra point come from?
I would not want to lose more!

[thedude13]

Basically, since you are helping the winner on his path to victory, he would be sharing part of his spoils with you. As to the big bonus for knocking out every player on the way to the top, that on the other hand, may not be feasible. Simply because, the points would have to come from thin air. I'm pretty sure they will not be adding a pool of extra points somewhere, though that may be an option. A highly unlikely option, but an option none the less.

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[insomniacdude]

I don't like it. If a plyer wants to take a other player out in a Standard game, he should do it to fight his own strategy of winning. If he's doing it for the sake of losing a player on the battle field or for taking cards, then he should way the strategic options of doing it before he does it.

In other words, find a better strategy to eliminate the players. Don't try to justify random eliminations with points. That's what terminator is for. The point of a standard game is to win, and the best strategy is the strategy that leads to winning. Incorporate eliminations in that strategy, or don't eliminate.

[thedude13]

The point of this whole thing is not to play a standard game to knock people out to get there points, it's to some compensation in the event that you knock a couple or the rest of the players (minus the winner) and still lose due to some unfortunate events. The winner of the game is still getting his normal points from all the players, including yourself, minus a few points from the players you knocked out for him. The points would be minute, but would at least lessen the blow from losing, especially if you did all the work.

Now, as far as getting extra points for knocking all the players out yourself when you win a game; getting all the other players points and knowing that you did it without any help, should be a big of enough bonus in it self. Having an special icon or other means of showing that you did not receive any help during the game, displayed somewhere in the game info in your games played list, would be a good compromise and pretty awesome to boot.

thedude13

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[Aerial Attack]

1. Give points for each elimination in a standard game?

No. While you feel as if you accomplished something by doing this, in the end if you were unable to win a standard game - you do not deserve any points. If you feel the need to gain points for "helping" the eventual winner, you should be playing team games.

If you eliminate someone, you usually lose armies and/or use cards to do so. This both weakens - armies lost taking the opp out - and strengthens you in the short term - cards and terrs gained. The problem with this is that you effectively gave the other players more strength by allowing them to not lose armies/bonuses. The other potential negative is that the terminated player may have been using their armies against the eventual winner and their 3 armies per turn are now lost.

In the end, you need to weigh the pluses and the minuses in each elimination scenario in a standard game.

2. Points/Icons awarded for eliminating everyone else in a game?

I wouldn't mind seeing this implemented (icon on game finished page), alas there are a lot of provisos that would need to be added.

How many players would you need to take out? I think the bonus should only count for 5 or 6 player games. I personally like the icon idea - but that might be harder to implement (and to find space for) than additional points. If points are selected, how many should be given (1 for five players and 2 for six)?

If you give out points from "thin air," this will lead to more abuse of the system. Six players could decide to collude for points and always play each other - rotating who knocked everyone out. Soon enough, all six players would have "earned" promotions through the bonuses received, even though none of them actually gained or lost points from each other.

That would be difficult to police. So, giving points isn't really feasible. Alas, some people would want to try and collect as many "eliminator" icons as possible. I'm sure we'd have a list of people who are the top 5 eliminators.

CONCLUSION: I think it's an interesting idea. But, in the end, I have to vote no for both.

[thedude13]

Aerial Attack, your points are not only valid, but well put as well. Now, other than the icon idea (which I didn't think of till i was typing my last post) I never truly thought they would be implemented. Even though I liked the first idea. Honestly, I kept arguing the point because it seemed that most of the people were not grasping the idea fully and just trying to knock it down with that "Terminator" bull crap. Now that I believe people might actually be grasping the idea, it's probably time to admit that it wont be a reality. However. I plan on pursuing the "icon" idea further. The Dude abides.

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[Aerial Attack]

That is correct, I stole the icon idea from your post that was previous to my previous post.

[thedude13]

No, there was no stealing, just adding. Besides, I already started a thread about it, hehe.

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