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Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Postby RADAGA on Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:30 pm

Concise description: Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Specifics: Well, I am on a freestyle game, there are 3 players left, me and another two. I have the upper hand in this game, and the guy that can seriously harm me playerd first in this turn. I went next, and prepared my defences considering mostly the third guy, who, supposedly, would be the next to play.

Well, said guy will miss his turn, meaning I will get the dreaded "you were last to play, wait 12 hours" thing, since I was the last one to play, not considering the guy who missed turn. In other words, in spite of the guy making us wait freaking twenty-four hours to play again, I will be the one punished for it.

So, I can foresee that the guy who played first will trample my lands, and, lets suppose the guy who missed turn gets to play before I log in again, he will get to attack me too. AND gain double armies due to missed turn. All without giving me a chance of defence.

How is that fair? The guy misses a turn, and I am the one getting harmed because of it? What if he is doing this on purpose? I explain> seeing he is no threat, he can bet the other guy will go for me instead of him. So he safely misses turn in order to alow the other opponent to harm me the most, and, on the plus side, he also gets to enjoy a double army income.

Hardly fair, I´d say... :evil:

Whats the deal? Is it a valid strategy? Should I use it as well? *grumbles*
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Re: Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Postby K-dub on Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:19 pm

im not so sure on this, but i think if a player misses his turn, he does get those troops back, but he gets them at the END of his turn right before he reinforces troops, which means he doesn't have them for the "big assualt"
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Re: Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Postby Chuuuuck on Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:38 pm

If the 3rd player misses his turn. You can start your turn immediately. You don't have to wait like you took your turn last. All 3 players will be able to take their turn as soon as he misses.
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Re: Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Postby RADAGA on Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:20 am

Chuuuuck wrote:If the 3rd player misses his turn. You can start your turn immediately. You don't have to wait like you took your turn last. All 3 players will be able to take their turn as soon as he misses.


Not true. it WAS like that, but things have changed. HE, the one who MISSED the turn can take it immediatelly.

And the fact that he does not get the skipped troops at the beginning does nothing good either. He cannot make the "big assault" but he can burn all his troops, because he can count on having those extra armies granted to reinforce after attacking.

Seriously, this truly make an interesting option to "wait until you miss the turn, then immediatelly afterwards have your turn" in "no spoils" games. Personally I think you should not encourage people in doing this by giving them such advantages.
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Re: Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Postby RADAGA on Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:45 am

Well, it seems nothing will be done about that.

Thanks for the extensive feedback and attention...
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Re: Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Postby SuicidalSnowman on Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:29 am

Yes it is a well documented and highly frowned upon strategy. Nearly all of the time, missing turns is not advantageous to a player, and the current rules work to discourage that.

However, every now and then, there is a time when it is advantageous to miss a turn. Generally, this is in a no spoils game.

Unfortunately, there is no other remedy for this situation. If you want to, post this in the C&A forum, where they will tell you to rate this person as you see fit. You will notice there is a "cheap tactics" and "deadbeat" tag available in the ratings.

More effectively, you can add this user to your ignore list, and you will never have to play with them again.

Now, as for your other complaint about being ignored. First of all, you posted this in the wrong forum. Suggestions and Bug Reports is usually used for Suggesting a new site feature or reporting a found bug. Notice you missed the whole "This will improve the site in the following way" part of the form. Posting a complaint about a strategy could go in General Discussion.

Additionally, posting a link to the game, or at least the game numbers, will always get your problem taken more seriously. From reading your complaint it appears that there are some inaccuracies in it anyways. Like Chuuuuuck pointed out, I am under the understanding that when someone misses a turn, you can move immediately. Maybe this has changed? I don't really know. The more important part is that with a game number or link, we could review the game, and even the players, and give you some more accurate help.

As for "in spite of the guy making us wait freaking twenty-four hours to play again" sometimes this is the case. The best remedy, as stated before, is to foe this person to avoid playing with them again. If you think they are doing it in a gross abuse of the game rules to hold you hostage, file a Cheating and Abuse Complaint, although I doubt this warrants that. You could also get Premium, it is awesome when you can just start a new game rather than get stuck waiting.

When you worry about "lets suppose the guy who missed turn gets to play before I log in again, he will get to attack me too," you need to stop playing Freestyle. This is the very nature of Freestyle! This is also the reason I, along with many other CCers, do not play Casual Freestyle games. Unless you are online 24/7, you end up missing out on chances like this. Play sequential, then you always know what order your turn comes in, and don't have to worry about this.

The final piece I am going to discuss is the whole issue of "this player missed a turn and it is a dis-advantage." I am not sure it even applies here, I think it just takes advantage of human nature. If he misses a turn, yes, like you said, next turn he can attack and then count on getting his bonus troops to reinforce. That is no different than him taking his turn, deploying, ending his turn, then deploying next turn, and only attacking with half his troops. K-dub makes a good point, if you are smart about it, you can turn this into an advantage for yourself.

As for the third player in the game, three player games are notoriously difficult for this reason. Rather than missing turn, he could also post in game chat "Please attack Radaga, he is obviously the strongest" and a some people will willy-nilly go and listen and you get screwed. I am in a 3 player game that has gone for 175 rounds because none of us can get ahead without the other two ganging up and slowing the third person down. While there are a few who really like them, three player games tend to be unpopular on this site.

So there you go. There are actually, as discussed, many ways to deal with this situation. Foe the person and you never have to play them again. Leave accurate ratings that reflect these "Cheap Tactics." Be smart about your own plays in the a three player, no spoils, freestyle game. Be smart about the type of games you join or start. Read the forum description and post in the appropriate forum. Provide the necessary information for other players to help you. Purchase a premium account (or enter one of the many free premium contests running in the forum, they are listed in the current newsletter!) and minimize the amount these players tie up your games. Be polite when requesting assistance from other users.

Do any one of these 7 or 8 suggestions, and I bet you will find many of your problems like this one mitigated.
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Re: Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Postby RADAGA on Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:07 pm

Thank you, snowman. That´s more than I would have expected.

I actually won that game, and it was not a 3-player game, as I stated, there were 3 players LEFT. Right? ;)

Anyway, the forums here should be more friendly, there should be no need to coplain after 1 month of no concise answer to get one, even if i posted on a wrong forum.

Actually, posting in a wrong forum should have had the attention of a moderator, who would, in theory, in my polyanna world, indicate what would be the best place to post it.

But I might be a little too much polyanna, anyway, this is not a friends forum where we discuss matters of common interest. It is a forum where people who activelly rip each other apart use to communicate when not trying to destroy their mates.

peace out...
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Re: Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Postby SuicidalSnowman on Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:24 pm

RADAGA wrote:
I actually won that game, and it was not a 3-player game, as I stated, there were 3 players LEFT.


Ah, I missed that part.
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Re: Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Postby bignick5849 on Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:25 pm

This is a way to improve the site because it's a flaw in the rules imo.
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Re: Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Postby the.killing.44 on Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:44 pm

I think I've yet to see a player over Lt.—which, mind you, is still a pretty bad rank—complain about the missed turn thing. Punish the person for it and stuhfoo.
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Re: Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Postby bignick5849 on Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:32 pm

well sorry that I play games that aren't always against elite players. Not my fault that I'm the second to last person going and then all of a sudden I'm the one on the outside looking in while my empire is ruined.
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Re: Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:32 am

the.killing.44 wrote:I think I've yet to see a player over Lt.—which, mind you, is still a pretty bad rank—complain about the missed turn thing. Punish the person for it and stuhfoo.




Then let me be the first. I enjoy high rank games with casual freestyle. Generally come cashing time you want to be last to cash or close to last. Well if you cash last, and then someone misses you are still locked in while they can play. If they miss they should be counted as last and you able to play.
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Re: Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Postby RADAGA on Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:20 am

Bruceswar wrote:
the.killing.44 wrote:I think I've yet to see a player over Lt.—which, mind you, is still a pretty bad rank—complain about the missed turn thing. Punish the person for it and stuhfoo.




Then let me be the first. I enjoy high rank games with casual freestyle. Generally come cashing time you want to be last to cash or close to last. Well if you cash last, and then someone misses you are still locked in while they can play. If they miss they should be counted as last and you able to play.


Precisely. Thats the whole initial complain I made.
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Re: Opponent missing turns will put me in a bad situation

Postby bignick5849 on Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:44 pm

Guess we're getting no resolution... must not be a popular enough idea =[
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