Suggestion.. Games with Multi's

[luckiekevin]

I suggest that when a game is found with multi's involved in them that either;

1. The points taken away from the teams that lost in the game to the multi accounts be returned to those teams.

or

2. the Multi's involved in the game get an automatic loss and points are taken from them and given to the team(s) in the game that were playing fairly.

[sully800]

What happens if they are later proven to be innocent after they submit an appeal? And what about cases where players are blocked but not banned because it can't be certain that they are cheating (I would say nothing should happen in that case at least).

[luckiekevin]

What happens with the majority of the cases when it is proven that they are cheating? The cheaters get points. Which happens more frequently than the scenarios you brought up.. At least I think they do. I'm just in a game right now with multi's and have been in the past and think it really sucks that I have to lose points and not them. They're the ones not following the rules. They shouldn't be awarded for it. If they are found innocent later, the points could be given back.. or,

What if no points were exchanged in a game in which multi's were found? Wouldn't that be a nice compromise between the two arguments? And wouldn't that be the most fair thing to do for all parties involved?

p.s. thanks for responding.

[LetGodSortThem]

I also wish that I could have the points back that I lost to demonville[Busted] and magaman[Busted], however I don't want to lose the points I won if I had beaten any multis...Guess you pay your dollar and take a chance...

[luckiekevin]

but then wouldn't that be an argument for the non-cheating party to always get points?

[sully800]

Yeah luckie, I wasn't trying to argue with your idea, just bringing up some potential snags.

I remember a little while after I started playing I was in a game with 3 multi accounts. I had never really visited the cheating and abuse board before that, but I reported them and they were eventually busted. Then I couldn't figure out why the game was still going because I thought it would have been cancelled. I thought perhaps lack might even go back and manually delete the game record.

Looking back I see how impractical my thoughts were at the time, I was just quite mad at being taken advantage of (even though I think I may have won the game ) I think the only way this suggestion would work is if it was an automated process- ie as soon as a multi is punished that game is suspended and no points are gained or lost. Another problem might be terminator games, I'm not exactly sure how those points could work. But let's say this was implemented and your game was cancelled (you, an innocent party) then you'd log into my games and under recently finished or perhas a different category the game would be sitting with a title "cancelled because of cheating reports" or something to that effect.

It still wouldn't do anything retroactively to change the points multis may have already gained in previous games, but I think it would be a step in the right direction because the current set up isn't entirely fair.

And perhaps if someone was later cleared because of an appeal the game could resume again to minimize the negative effects on the wrongly accused.

Hmmm....

[AAFitz]

what it comes down to is this it would take way to long to take care of this

everytime someone was busted, people would flock to get points back from every game they played with them

just isnt practical...there would be neverending battles

better to focus on just busting them, which is time consuming enough

however some kind of point penalty could be assesed...20% or 30% of the multi's points...this would make it extremely unattractive, because being caught would far outweigh any gain in the long run

and it would be a flat rate...if it got reversed, it could be added on....again though...this is a time consuming process

[LetGodSortThem]

I like the penalty idea Fitz...My "Bust them down to private poll" was 78% for...

Bust convicted "Premium" Multis Back to Private?
YES(OUI)
78%
[ 32 ]
No(I'M AN IDIOT)
21%
[ 9 ]
Total Votes : 41

[AK_iceman]

Yeah, but that poll was biased.

Would you rather vote "Yes" or "No, I'm an idiot" for anything?
I'm gonna bet yes will win despite the question.

[Sargentgeneral]

who cares if the poll is biased, there shouldnt even have to be a poll for this. a cheater is a cheater and they should be punished to "the full extent of the law!" (or down to private works)

[LetGodSortThem]

I'd vote for what my opinion is...regardless of the dink(Me) who created the poll...And I'm sure my "Idiot" comment only served to boost the no side...bias maybe, but I can not think of a reason to vote no..

Next time I'll leave out the smart-ass comments...really..

[luckiekevin]

Fitz, Sully, and LGSTO. I really like your ideas and think that if anything, we all agree that something needs to be done to remedy the situation to make the creation of multi's less attractive and to not award multi's for the games they won together.

I totally understand how time consuming it would be to have to go back and honor requests from people who may have been past victims of certain multi's and now that you've made that point, I can see how it would be a problem.


I really like Fitz's idea of docking multi account users a percentage of their points to discourage them from existing. Even though we can not give points back to those who fell victim to the multi's. The multi is punished, rather than rewarded (points wise) for cheating. I would gladly give up the 15-40 points to see some major get busted down a few hundred points.

I also think Sully's idea of putting games in "limbo" so that points aren't lost or gained either way while the investigative process occurs is good as well. Although it sounds like it would also amount to a lot of work for the mod's, who are already quite busy. Of course, I wouldn't know this as I am not one. But I'd like to hear what others think about all of this

I like the direction we are headed

[misher]

Sully800's experience happened to me, I played a 3 player ffa and 2 of the players let each other take over each side of the map and teamed me, then one of them conviently didn't place men on good spots and escentially gave up, which is obvious that they are multying. I assumed the game would end after I reported them and they were busted, but it didn't he went on to win and admitted that they had a secret alliance. Well they were multying, u can tell cause they log on in the same 20 mins, and right after each other, yet they are still able to play.