Public notification of all disciplinary actions

[Ace Rimmer]

Concise description:

• Public notification of all disciplinary actions

Specifics:

• Post a thread in C&A for all busts, blocks, or other game-related disciplinary actions
• Post a thread in a new forum for forum bans for forum-related disciplinary actions

This will improve the following aspects of the site:

• No threads asking why someone was blocked/banned/etc
• More transparency about who has had action taken against them

This goes hand in hand with the suggestion to have the C&A forum locked down (http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=92600). I would like to see locked threads stating which users have received bans, and a brief (or not brief depending on the case) explanation of why they have been banned. If the CC staff feels it's a good idea, maybe you could ask the user for their permission before writing the why in forum ban cases - but I think it most cases the answer is going to be trolling, flaming, or being a general PITA.

There have also been bans and busts that were handled through e-tickets, it would be nice to see some information about why this happened. Basically, I'd like to see an electronic trail exist for any user that had action taken. I'm not saying for the hunters or mods to give us info on the specific posts, games, etc - but it would be nice to know that two users have been blocked from playing with each other, or something similar.

[Timminz]

Transparency is for people who can back up their actions legitimately. I can't see it happening here.

[PLAYER57832]

Concise description:

• Public notification of all disciplinary actions

Specifics:

• Post a thread in C&A for all busts, blocks, or other game-related disciplinary actions
• Post a thread in a new forum for forum bans for forum-related disciplinary actions

This will improve the following aspects of the site:

• No threads asking why someone was blocked/banned/etc
• More transparency about who has had action taken against them

This goes hand in hand with the suggestion to have the C&A forum locked down (http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=92600). I would like to see locked threads stating which users have received bans, and a brief (or not brief depending on the case) explanation of why they have been banned. If the CC staff feels it's a good idea, maybe you could ask the user for their permission before writing the why in forum ban cases - but I think it most cases the answer is going to be trolling, flaming, or being a general PITA.

There have also been bans and busts that were handled through e-tickets, it would be nice to see some information about why this happened. Basically, I'd like to see an electronic trail exist for any user that had action taken. I'm not saying for the hunters or mods to give us info on the specific posts, games, etc - but it would be nice to know that two users have been blocked from playing with each other, or something similar.

I like it, but it has been rejected.

However, I would prefer the listings be in their OWN forum/thread. Also, I am not sure we need to know why threads were locked, per se. (Usually mods do say, by-the-way) I would just like to know if someone was banned for cheating, for forum abuse/spamming ( or perhaps "language/racism/trolling/ other) or for another abuse.. and I don't really care to know about every infraction, just the permabans/ long term "vacations"

[AndyDufresne]

Ideally, instead of putting something like this onto the Mod's plate for service---in a user's profile it would list their disciplinary history. Something like that would save Volunteer time, in addition to provide necessary answers.


--Andy

[Ace Rimmer]

Ideally, instead of putting something like this onto the Mod's plate for service---in a user's profile it would list their disciplinary history. Something like that would save Volunteer time, in addition to provide necessary answers.


--Andy

I like that... but I'm not sure that will slow down the constant complaint threads, we'll still have the "why????" questions. Or would there be more detail than "user received 1 week forum ban on 7/29/09"?

Jake

[Darwins_Bane]

Ideally, instead of putting something like this onto the Mod's plate for service---in a user's profile it would list their disciplinary history. Something like that would save Volunteer time, in addition to provide necessary answers.


--Andy

I like that... but I'm not sure that will slow down the constant complaint threads, we'll still have the "why????" questions. Or would there be more detail than "user received 1 week forum ban on 7/29/09"?

Jake

not really...cuz if they wanna know why, then all the have to do is go to that user's profile and find out it was a forum ban or whatever, and then there's always someone who was there when it happened...and at least then we would know why they were a guest, or whatever.

[Rustovitch]

From my experience on other forums the most vociferous proponents of such transparency are more often than not simply trying to gain glory by causing trouble. I am not sure that is the case here, but the result of this will be endless threads debating every tiny detail of every displinary action resulting in endless flames and nonsense.

In any case what would be the policy should an offence relate to private and confidential matters?

[Queen_Herpes]

Ideally, instead of putting something like this onto the Mod's plate for service---in a user's profile it would list their disciplinary history. Something like that would save Volunteer time, in addition to provide necessary answers.
--Andy

Andy makes a good point. If infractions/actions taken against was viewable on each players wall (like awards) then there would be no need for a lot of threads about individual cases.

[PLAYER57832]

From my experience on other forums the most vociferous proponents of such transparency are more often than not simply trying to gain glory by causing trouble. I am not sure that is the case here, but the result of this will be endless threads debating every tiny detail of every displinary action resulting in endless flames and nonsense.

In any case what would be the policy should an offence relate to private and confidential matters?

Everything in CC, except pms is public. Even clans and special forums are open to a large number of people.

If someone is making threats to others via pm, that is something worth knowing. (in my experience most of the biggest jerks are also multis, but that may be cooincidence) We don't need to know what was said, but "made threats" is enough.

If someone has it out with admin, then yes, I would say it could be private. Saying "confict with admin" is enough. Sure, people might wish to know more, but it really does not help make the site more amenable.

If someone's violation was releasing private information, then again, no one really needs to know the specific details. Just knowing that player a released another player's private information is enough, though it might be worth adding (with/without player's permission).

Why would we need this information? It goes beyond curiosity. If I know someone has already released someone else's personnal information, I might take extra care and might take any threat regarding release of something I have said or such more seriously. That is, we all should remember that no matter how many games we play, we really don't "know" the people here. (with a few exceptions).

In regards to forums, its hard to have a conversation with someone and then Poof! they are gone. If we at least know whether they are gone for a day, a week or "for good", then we can know if we shouls sort of put discussions on hold or just let things drop completely. At a minimum, it will minimize the "hey, why haven't you responded?" posts.

Being able to track threads that yielded discipline might help some people understand what is and is not acceptable.

[AndyDufresne]

If something on the profile was a viable option, it would be bare bones I'm assuming, "Disciplinary History: Warning 2009-06-05, 24 Hour Forum Vacation 2009-07-10" etc.---since linking it up with specific forum posts and topics isn't a particularly great idea---adds clutter in addition to things get moved, deleted, etc. It could create unncessary and broken links.


--Andy

[khazalid]

Transparency is for people who can back up their actions legitimately. I can't see it happening here.

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