Homewrecker and madres

[DukeNukeEm]

These are suspected Multis

Suspect users: Homewrecker and madres

Game number: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=437080#gmtop

Comments: The game is Freestyle doubles. These two never start farther than 10 minutes apart, and on average, about 2.5 minutes apart. At one point red (madres, the ? ranked player) sacrificed EVERY army he had to fort homewrecker. On only his second game, madres seems to have flawless freestyle strategy and amazing coordination with his teammate, who has more than 380 games. Its also hard to believe that even after a seventeen hour wait, the two of them were less than FORTY FIVE SECONDS apart in entering the game... less than THREE MINUTES after we had started the round.
Also, looking through Homewrecker's games, it is curious to see that he has multiple games in which a three player game, or a doubles game, is himself, a ? rated player with less than 5 games, and a third person (who loses) He does not leave feedback for these players, despite winning with so little experience.
Here are some other games that show these situations:
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=437159#gmtop
Notice...

2007-05-16 23:33:20 - madres receives 2 armies for holding Oceania
2007-05-16 23:33:20 - madres receives 3 armies for 8 territories
2007-05-16 23:33:28 - madres deployed 5 armies on Venezuela
2007-05-16 23:33:46 - HomeWrecker receives 2 armies for holding South America
2007-05-16 23:33:46 - HomeWrecker receives 4 armies for 12 territories
2007-05-16 23:33:52 - HomeWrecker deployed 6 armies on Venezuela
2007-05-16 23:33:55 - HomeWrecker attacked Central America from Venezuela and conquered it from grilledcheese

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=439231#gmtop

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=436973#gmtop
Third wheel notes:

2007-05-15 23:17:19 - brogrenkp: yeah... red didn't help me out much, just gave you more power

also, 357314.

I feel somewhat cheated as i watch this happen... perhaps i am beaten (not unheard of) fair and square, but it appears not.

DukeNukeEm

[madres]

not true

[mromanov]

I believe 'madres' is a second account of 'Homewrecker'. 'madres' joined a few days ago and hopped only into games with 'Homewrecker' - often as a doubles partner. In our game, 441695, they take their turns not minutes apart. An interesting game is 436973: standard freestyle British Isles. In round 4, 'madres' started his turn but didn't even deploy - in fact, he gave 'Homewrecker' enough time to wipe him 'madres' out, take his cards, and cash them in.

It's players like this that turn people off from online gaming.

[wicked]

It's players like this that turn people off from online gaming.

How ironic.


MHs, please check mromanov as well.

[HomeWrecker]

Sorry for how this looks it was Madres first game ever. I know this because we are brothers and work together in the same office and he has gained interest in playing. He didn't really know what he was doing but is slowly figuring it out.

To calm you down I will not play against him anymore, just with him as doubles if this is allowed. If that is not allowed then we wont play any more games together at all.

You sure put a lot of work researching just because you got your but kicked. And I don't know anyone else that I play with on a personal level and yes I do like to play triples with people that know what they are doing.

If I shouldn't play with someone in my office let me know and I will quit playing with him.

[wicked]

Let me get this straight Duke. You're reporting coordination in a freestyle team game as cheating? How else are they supposed to play?

Although looking at their first game, a singles game, Homewrecker pretended not to know Madres. Can you explain that Home?

[HomeWrecker]

The game he was talking about was when Madres first started playing he wanted to play against me. I was yelling across the office telling him what to do so it took a bit, as I pointed out in game chat he also broke my bonus.

Since then I didn't think it would be fair and didn't want to have to deal with this so I decided to only play doubles or trips with him on my team. We communicate like any other team, sometimes I go first and sometime he does. And we both sacrifice ourselves like anyother great team.

It is fine now that we only play team games and never against each other correct?

And I said I didn't know him because I didnt want to deal with this, I decided I wouldn't ever play against him again and I wouldn't have to worry about this. Guess I was wrong.

Ok, I was reading through some of the other post and I saw that if we are playing doubles together then we should play sequential not freestyle. I will stay away from the freestyle with him for now on.

[DukeNukeEm]

Wicked, despite the fact that it was a teams game, the way they played was very suspicious. (Somewhat) Understandable if one player is ready to enter as soon as we start a new round - although it WAS 17 hours later- but to have both start 45 seconds later seems a bit ridiculous. In another game, Madres takes one for the team... despite not being on a team with Home.

A good point wicked; he pretends not to know madres, which in itself is suspicious... even going so far as to refer to madres as he/she. And, after having finished 4 games with his 'work buddy', Home has refused to give his pal feedback.

And in fact this was not Madres' first game. If you check Madres' current game profile, you will see that he is currently in about 4 or 5 games, all of which are with Homewrecker.

As for the insulting PMs and insults on this thread, They are wholly uncalled for. Please note i have not left either of you feedback - negetive or otherwise - until the admins decide the verdict of this. I have been polite and civilized, although i have been met with obnoxiousness.

Your an idiot, I thought we cleared that up in the game chat? You lost and got your butt kicked fair and square. Not sure why you have to post that I am cheating. I'll play you again if you would like and you can have any other 3rd party play also if that pleases you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Please note that we did not communicate at all during the game, besides my "Hello and Gla!", a brief complaint by Home, and a "gg".

Also note that despite Home being the one (predominantly and most indignantly) responding to these posts, it was Madres that sent me the insulting email.

I have played many games, and i have been beaten by players with less points than yourself, and more skill than either of us. I will lose many games in the future. I am not upset at the loss, and those 30 points do not haunt my dreams.

My partner and i agreed that the behaviour was suspicious, so i posted. Simple as that.

[HomeWrecker]

I made the mistake of playing against him, I thought you were talking about that game. That was his first ever game, I had decided after that one I shouldn't play against him because of the IP thing. So I thought it would be ok to play with him.... obviously you don't like that too much. I don't see how that is cheating but you think it is. Any two team members if communicating effieciently can get the same outcome as two people sitting next to each other. If I am asked to stop playing games with him I will do so. And I think this is being asked not to play games with him, so for now on he can play with other people. Happy? We are still going to beat the two of you this round.

[DukeNukeEm]

Are you confused on what game we were playing? Our game ended over a day ago.

And besides, i have nothing against you personally. Suspicious behaviour is suspicious behaviour. If youre found innocent, i will even leave you positive feedback for being so efficient. Continue to team with him if youd like... if the admins decide you shouldnt, you wont be able to lol

[stang]

Well Well Well. Mmm this is quite funny! DukeNukeEm i had the exact same thought and i am playing him in a round at the moment (notice i said him).

I dont mind playing multies when its a doubles match as if your playing with a good player (on your side that is) then it doesnt really make a difference. But i have had a look back on His record and its looks like he is cheating (i usually do this before matches to make sure - but this time just logged in).

Homewrecker says things like 'Oh we work in the same office and play together' Yet Madris asks for help online and plays at 1am at exactly the same time - seconds later (enough time to re-log in). Now again this doest mean he is cheating, but when it happens on a couple of games - and check the game records it just doesnt look right.

Though as much as we can rant on about Stuff like this - you can never prove that he is multi using - even with an IP trace.

Funny this is, he seems to be acting exactly as a guilty person would when caught, as he is now trying to cover his tracks and Madris hasnt taken his turn in my round - little hot around the collar Homewrecker? Trying to fabricate evidence now to support yourself??

Im blocking this Biarch after this round! And i hope to H-ell i kick his arse too!