Conquer Club

Sorry I keep posting these but here's another "quirky" player

Accused: rdelav



The accused are suspected of:

Other: creating new recruits to farm for points



Game number(s):

http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... lav02&so=D


Comments: This guy seem to coincide with a lot of new recruits, many more than uusal, I think he is entering or starting games then adding new recruits to increase his odds of winning and farming them for points.

Since my original posting the new recruits have died due to inactivity and he has feigned surprise, yet he always plays with lots of new recruits lately, he's a cheat and a farmer

Coxey wrote:Sorry I keep posting these but here's another "quirky" player
Accused: rdelav
The accused are suspected of:
Other: creating new recruits to farm for points
Game number(s):
http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... lav02&so=D
Comments: This guy seem to coincide with a lot of new recruits, many more than uusal, I think he is entering or starting games then adding new recruits to increase his odds of winning and farming them for points

Your "accused" does not match your "game numbers". Try again.

i think he meant to say mdelav but there is nothing to see because his games are against players from other countrys

On that list, I see 1 game (out of 54) that he started and filled w/ new recruits. Is this really worth complaining about?

either the OP, not anyone else fixes this post to clearly state what it is he is talking about so everyone can stop guessing or this will be Closed with no investigation.

I have edited the original post. I don't play two player games anymore and if I ever do I won't play with someone who knows the neutrals are neutral before I do.

This guy is blatently cheating, I almost guarantee that if you check your server logs you'll find the recruits come from the same geographic location if not the same computer.

It's an issue because it's a pain, he has just started doing this recently.

If i had a non-premium I would really hate to be cheated like this. As it stands I just hate it.

I know I got the guy's name wrong but the link makes it totally obvious. Why do these complaints take so long to resolve?

I saw there was action pending against the mult I reported. Will I get my lost points back? Will I ever hear what happened to him?

Also, I don't appreciate the tone of some people here. Why is it that they feel like they should belittle me for posting this when I paid to play honest not crooked games on here.

I was hoping not play with a bunch of cheats.

You should have some kind of automated script for tracking cheats on this server. It seems far too easy to abuse CC.

It would take almost no code to store the IP of each player used when they joined a game and compare it to the IPs of every other player in the game this far. This would eliminate a lot of cheating, the same script could be used at the start of each turn to compare ips of different players to the others last turn, it's just a small script and one extra entry in a database. Other gaming sites do this all the time.

It's funny how you're so meticulous about how abuse re[ports are delivered but so slow and haphazzard in dealing with cheats.

The complaint is, to dumb it down, he starts games then adds new recruits to farm for points if he wins, also, I guess, the advantage of knowing from the start there are certain players he doesn't have to defend.

If you check his game history a lot of his recent games have included a vastly high numbers of new recruits, well out of proportion to the norm, because he added them himself I believe.

Also, it's a way of getting medals quicker, I guess.

if this is farming the only people left will be new recruits

caymanmew wrote:if this is farming the only people left will be new recruits

It is farming. It's not that common, probably, and it's badly done here (assassin and terminator games would be more effective).

Another way of detecting this and all types of multi'ing is to read cookies on log-in, before ammending them, if a player has a stored cookie that refers to another account before the cookie is amended on log-in then that would be a good indication that multi'ing is taking place, all it takes is a simple read of the cookie when the player logs in and then when they try to write that cookie as a different account the server should mail an admin and the whole process be looked at.

This would actually be in the site's commercial interests as well, to stop people using multi non-prem accounts honestly to avoid paying for a premium. I don't have a problem with that myself but I just want to see the back of lamers like this and other multis.

huh?

I found the problem: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=7244335

3 recruits deadbeated; Coxey got hosed. Each of the 3 recruit's last visit was shortly after joining this game. There may be a case here.

drunkmonkey wrote:I found the problem: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=7244335

3 recruits deadbeated; Coxey got hosed. Each of the 3 recruit's last visit was shortly after joining this game. There may be a case here.

I can solve it right away. 3 diff flags. it wont be multis.

@OP they have better ways of catching cheats.

Darwins_Bane wrote:I can solve it right away. 3 diff flags. it wont be multis.

That's what I get for trying to play detective: I overlook the obvious. I'm done.

coxey has been on the site for 3 and a half months and has 12 reports of cheating?? OK it might not be 12 but I think I read four from him today.

Can I rate him as paranoid without playing him?

Coxey wrote:I have edited the original post.

No, you edited the original post's title. Oh, and you added one sentence at the end. I'm pretty sure that's not what King Sam was looking for.

What you appear to have here is a situation where three newbies joined a five-player game and the three newbies didn't return. Thus, you decided to make a case against this individual even though there is zero further information that would show any sort of evidence against them.

I'm not saying they're innocent...I'm saying you haven't shown anything in the way of evidence against them.

Except for all the other games in his player history where he "just happens" to have a load of newbies in there with him.

The guy is blatantly a cheat. Don't you have access to server logs or anything?

What exactly is the point of this forum?

It seems to me that you discover cheats, nothing is done and all you get is passing idiots with nothing to do with the issue at hand insulting you for your trouble.

How about a thankyou for my trouble and the script suggestions?

Cheating is rampant on this site and it's not surprising nobody bothers to report it if this is the reception you get.

shocked439 wrote:coxey has been on the site for 3 and a half months and has 12 reports of cheating?? OK it might not be 12 but I think I read four from him today.

Can I rate him as paranoid without playing him?

Try 3 reports 1 is blatent ratings abuse (I've never played a team game with the guy, even on opposing teams)

1 is accepted as a proven multi.

The other looks really suspicious, I've got over 400 players in my active games right now and only one of them was a new recruit, look at this guy's game history, it's full of them.

If I wanted to IP spoof I could do it very easy. That is why they need to look at the sorts of scripts for cookies I suggested. Sure, people can delete cookies before log-ins or switch user agents but it just gives them one more way to screw up their cheating.

Coxey wrote:Except for all the other games in his player history where he "just happens" to have a load of newbies in there with him.
The guy is blatantly a cheat. Don't you have access to server logs or anything?
What exactly is the point of this forum?
It seems to me that you discover cheats, nothing is done and all you get is passing idiots with nothing to do with the issue at hand insulting you for your trouble.
How about a thankyou for my trouble and the script suggestions?
Cheating is rampant on this site and it's not surprising nobody bothers to report it if this is the reception you get.

Were you going to rant and rave about this, or were you going to provide the evidence so that someone might do something about it?

All you've done is throw out a blanket accusation with no specifics. That's not providing any evidence or explanation at all. I guess you don't want to assist the multi-hunters in getting this problem resolved...you just want to throw shit at the wall and see which pieces stick to it. How about showing them which pieces of shit should be looked at most closely for stickability?

His played games history, especially recent, says it all. He's blatently a cheat, if you actually implemented some of the coding suggestions made here you'd catch more of them, it would take less time than it's taking you to make patronising counter-posts to people who post here to write that code.

I'm playing over 400 players right now, one of them was a new recruit and in this guy's history you have games with several in, one game all new recruits and him. You don't think that's odd?

It's almost statistically impossible.

If you really cared about getting this guy busted, you should edit the OP with the proper form that they give you with the player link, games for evidence, and formal accusation. Otherwise, this is going to go in circles.

Its not odd...It happens. Is he inviting these new recruits to his games. Is he playing entirely new recruits. ie dropping the games when decent players rock up.
The point of this forum is for people to report cheating and abuse that they see in an effective way. Just saying this guy is a blatent and obvious cheat...well it isnt obvious to me. And as the guy whos gonna make the decision dont you think it should be obvious?

I think woodruff has been really helpful in the direction this thread should go

Coxey wrote:His played games history, especially recent, says it all. He's blatently a cheat, if you actually implemented some of the coding suggestions made here you'd catch more of them, it would take less time than it's taking you to make patronising counter-posts to people who post here to write that code.

SPECIFICS, man...SPECIFICS! I'm not being patronising, and you're not writing code. Now that we've gotten that out of the way, perhaps you can stop throwing shit at the wall and start examining the shit.

Coxey wrote:I'm playing over 400 players right now, one of them was a new recruit and in this guy's history you have games with several in, one game all new recruits and him. You don't think that's odd? It's almost statistically impossible.

No...it isn't even remotely near statistically impossible.

there are certain types of games that happen to fill with new recruits for many reasons. Many intentional on the part of the player, but it doesnt mean they have to be making them to get them to join. Also, they can drop games without new recruits to increase that percentage.

The people posting are posting because they have been playing the game, and following cheating and accusations for years and have looked at possibly as many as hundreds of cases and are posting on experience.

You are jumping to conclusions which are not necessarily the case, simply because you lack the experience to understand the complexities of these cases, and all the possibilities that exist. You are also assuming you are smarter than everyone else in doing so, and even going so far as to post just that.

Cheating accusations are taken very seriously, which is why people react when they see cheating accusations that are not reasonable, or well thought out, or not filled out correctly. The system protects the innocent, and is meant to educate those making accusations, so they can learn.

Its obvious you see no other explanations possible, but I suggest you do not discount the many valuable posts and bits of info about cheating that are being given here. If you suspect every person is cheating you, than indeed you will not have very much fun, but if you learn about the game, and the types that are less likely to involve farming, and cheating, you can enjoy the game you came here to play. But that does mean, reading, comprehending, relaxing a bit, and learning.

Good luck and have fun.

Coxey wrote:I have edited the original post. I don't play two player games anymore and if I ever do I won't play with someone who knows the neutrals are neutral before I do.

This guy is blatently cheating, I almost guarantee that if you check your server logs you'll find the recruits come from the same geographic location if not the same computer.

It's an issue because it's a pain, he has just started doing this recently.

If i had a non-premium I would really hate to be cheated like this. As it stands I just hate it.

I know I got the guy's name wrong but the link makes it totally obvious. Why do these complaints take so long to resolve?

I saw there was action pending against the mult I reported. Will I get my lost points back? Will I ever hear what happened to him?

Also, I don't appreciate the tone of some people here. Why is it that they feel like they should belittle me for posting this when I paid to play honest not crooked games on here.

I was hoping not play with a bunch of cheats.

You should have some kind of automated script for tracking cheats on this server. It seems far too easy to abuse CC.

It would take almost no code to store the IP of each player used when they joined a game and compare it to the IPs of every other player in the game this far. This would eliminate a lot of cheating, the same script could be used at the start of each turn to compare ips of different players to the others last turn, it's just a small script and one extra entry in a database. Other gaming sites do this all the time.

It's funny how you're so meticulous about how abuse re[ports are delivered but so slow and haphazzard in dealing with cheats.

This is Cleared. You should go take a gander at the community guidelines to get a better understanding of the rules. Farming is systematically targeting new recruits, there is not a significant games played with new recruits on this players part, or is it systematically being done.

He has been checked for a multi account as well and is Cleared of that also. Which includes an investigation of more then simple IP scans.

If you read the rules it will also state what happens to an account when disciplinary action is taken against them to include that you dont get points back for playing with someone who was Busted.

Their are many people that frequent this forum and us that maintain and investigate it do diligent work. You original claim made no sense and the link you provided had no evidence to support the suggestion of any account farming on that list of games, hence why you got the puzzled responses and requests for clarification.

Players that try to cheat the system are a part of any game and we do our best to mitigate that, and I think the outcome of the efforts of the hunters/C&A mods are very timely and fair. But that is of course my biased opinion, you will run across a player that cheats the system from time to time, my advice is to not let that effect or deter your gamin experience and use the Foe & Rating systems to help you in the charge.

People are meticulous with the reports because as I said this is viewed by many people, no one posted a response with the intention of being rude, rather they tried to help the case move along and understand what you thought was happening. Reading the guidelines will help you understand more about what is and isnt allowed here.

This case is Closed,

KS

P.S. Those 3 in that game referenced earlier that all deadbeated are all Cleared of multis as well.

It happens quite often that people join the site and lose interest before ever completing enough games to move their rank up.