Page Hacking [closed]

[disk]

Game: 538827

I don't know what happened here, but it was not a bug. I was watching this guy (Bandido) make his move. He finished his turn and our teammate (Gabriel) was still alive with 3 armies.

I repeat his turn was over. I was watching him play in real time.

The next person in line had a green ball, and I was refreshing the screen to wait for him to play.

In the interim, I saw Bandido come back on add some armies and eliminate Gabriel. There was absolutely no way possible for that to happen unless the person had hacked the page somehow.

I wouldn't believe it, but I saw it happen with my own two eyes. Has this ever happened to anyone else?

[firth4eva]

no. your guy deployed and didnt do anything. then it was bandido's turn so he eliminated him

[disk]

no. your guy deployed and didnt do anything. then it was bandido's turn so he eliminated him

No you don't understand. This is a sequential game.

Bandido played before Jackal. He finished his turn.

Gabriel was alive.

It was then Jackal's turn.

Before Jackal could play, suddenly Gabriel was eliminated.

The only way that you can play twice in a row in a sequential game is if you somehow hack into the page code.

There is no other way possible. 1 army does not kill 3 and that is all that he had there when the turn ended.

[raith]

What? its a sequential game and Bandido turn followed gabriel the entire game. The game chrono seems fine and makes sense. are you sure you didnt just get confused?

[wicked]

More than likely, since it's a No Cards game, his turn was not over. There may be a bug with when the green ball moves to the next person, if anything. Since there's no "got a card" statement in the game log, it's impossible to tell when someone else has ended their turn from the log.

[wcaclimbing]

2007-06-27 11:39:24 - gabriel_404 receives 3 armies for 1 territories
2007-06-27 11:39:32 - gabriel_404 deployed 3 armies on Dayton
2007-06-27 13:28:29 - Bandido receives 3 armies for 11 territories
2007-06-27 13:28:43 - Bandido deployed 3 armies on St. Ignace
2007-06-27 13:28:50 - Bandido attacked Sault Ste Marie from St. Ignace and conquered it from Jackal_174
2007-06-27 13:28:59 - Bandido attacked Thunder Bay from Sault Ste Marie and conquered it from disk
2007-06-27 13:29:17 - Bandido attacked Lake Superior from Thunder Bay and conquered it from gabriel_404
2007-06-27 13:29:17 - Bandido eliminated gabriel_404 from the game
2007-06-27 13:30:57 - Bandido fortified Eau Claire with 3 armies from Marquette
2007-06-27 14:53:15 - Jackal_174 receives 3 armies for 8 territories
2007-06-27 14:53:58 - Jackal_174 deployed 3 armies on Duluth

Bandido killed Gabriel before he ended his turn.

[wcaclimbing]

2007-06-27 14:36:12 - disk: ...Bandido. I bet you used Greese Monkey to hack into the XML of the page didn't you? Little cheat. Can't win an honorable match, so you cheat.

And you cant use GreaseMonkey to hack the site.

[wicked]

The "armies suddenly appeared" may have been when he paused and hadn't advanced his attacking armies yet.

[disk]

More than likely, since it's a No Cards game, his turn was not over. There may be a bug with when the green ball moves to the next person, if anything. Since there's no "got a card" statement in the game log, it's impossible to tell when someone else has ended their turn from the log.

Wicked...this is a better explanation.

I know what I saw...(I feel like I'm saying I saw a ghost or a UFO or something.)

First things first. I'm a 37-year old adult. I know this is just a game, but this is also a bunch of BS if its true.

I was watching this game real close because it was a real close match and I was waiting for Bandido to play.

The placement pre-turn:

Bandido had 4 on St. Ignace--he put 3 armies there giving him a max of 7 armies.

He had to take Sault-St. Marie (-1/6), Thunder Bay (-1/5). He admitted to losing 4 armies attacking International falls (in chat) That leaves him with 1 army to kill Gabriel's (3) which were in Lake Superior.

Impossible.

Something stinks here.

[wicked]

No, he said he played 4 v 1 in Int'l Falls, not lost 4 there.

Bandido: damned! i play 4 vs. 1 in international falls @*#+-* DICE aaaarrrrgh

[Bandido]

More than likely, since it's a No Cards game, his turn was not over. There may be a bug with when the green ball moves to the next person, if anything. Since there's no "got a card" statement in the game log, it's impossible to tell when someone else has ended their turn from the log.

Wicked...this is a better explanation.

I know what I saw...(I feel like I'm saying I saw a ghost or a UFO or something.)

First things first. I'm a 37-year old adult. I know this is just a game, but this is also a bunch of BS if its true.

I was watching this game real close because it was a real close match and I was waiting for Bandido to play.

The placement pre-turn:

Bandido had 4 on St. Ignace--he put 3 armies there giving him a max of 7 armies.

He had to take Sault-St. Marie (-1/6), Thunder Bay (-1/5). He admitted to losing 4 armies attacking International falls (in chat) That leaves him with 1 army to kill Gabriel's (3) which were in Lake Superior.

Impossible.

Something stinks here.

I attacked first red in lake superior, i don't loose any armee, then i attacked international falls

I hope next time you'll think a little bit and try to understand by yourself before to accuse and isult people

[disk]

No, he said he played 4 v 1 in Int'l Falls, not lost 4 there.

Bandido: damned! i play 4 vs. 1 in international falls @*#+-* DICE aaaarrrrgh

What's the difference? How did he get 4 troops to Thunder Bay...when he started with 7 in St. Ignace...and still eliminate Gabriel's 3 in Lake Huron?

It's not a logic exercise here. It's just pure math. It's completely impossible.

Had he had a perfect run...not lost a single man...he would have only had 3 in Thunder Bay to attack International Falls.


(Thanks by the way for your quick response. I know I was critical when I first came here, but I was wrong. You guys do a great job under trying circumstances.)

[disk]

More than likely, since it's a No Cards game, his turn was not over. There may be a bug with when the green ball moves to the next person, if anything. Since there's no "got a card" statement in the game log, it's impossible to tell when someone else has ended their turn from the log.

Wicked...this is a better explanation.

I know what I saw...(I feel like I'm saying I saw a ghost or a UFO or something.)

First things first. I'm a 37-year old adult. I know this is just a game, but this is also a bunch of BS if its true.

I was watching this game real close because it was a real close match and I was waiting for Bandido to play.

The placement pre-turn:

Bandido had 4 on St. Ignace--he put 3 armies there giving him a max of 7 armies.

He had to take Sault-St. Marie (-1/6), Thunder Bay (-1/5). He admitted to losing 4 armies attacking International falls (in chat) That leaves him with 1 army to kill Gabriel's (3) which were in Lake Superior.

Impossible.

Something stinks here.

I attacked first red in lake superior, i don't loose any armee, then i attacked international falls

I hope next time you'll think a little bit and try to understand by yourself before to accuse and isult people

I saw what happened and I know you did something illegal. I hope the CC staff investigate that code.

[Bandido]

More than likely, since it's a No Cards game, his turn was not over. There may be a bug with when the green ball moves to the next person, if anything. Since there's no "got a card" statement in the game log, it's impossible to tell when someone else has ended their turn from the log.

Wicked...this is a better explanation.

I know what I saw...(I feel like I'm saying I saw a ghost or a UFO or something.)

First things first. I'm a 37-year old adult. I know this is just a game, but this is also a bunch of BS if its true.

I was watching this game real close because it was a real close match and I was waiting for Bandido to play.

The placement pre-turn:

Bandido had 4 on St. Ignace--he put 3 armies there giving him a max of 7 armies.

He had to take Sault-St. Marie (-1/6), Thunder Bay (-1/5). He admitted to losing 4 armies attacking International falls (in chat) That leaves him with 1 army to kill Gabriel's (3) which were in Lake Superior.

Impossible.

Something stinks here.

I attacked first red in lake superior, i don't loose any armee, then i attacked international falls

I hope next time you'll think a little bit and try to understand by yourself before to accuse and isult people

I saw what happened and I know you did something illegal. I hope the CC staff investigate that code.

I hope too, this way they will see that i m fairplay. and you a

[wicked]

No, he said he played 4 v 1 in Int'l Falls, not lost 4 there.

Bandido: damned! i play 4 vs. 1 in international falls @*#+-* DICE aaaarrrrgh

What's the difference? How did he get 4 troops to Thunder Bay...when he started with 7 in St. Ignace...and still eliminate Gabriel's 3 in Lake Huron?

It's not a logic exercise here. It's just pure math. It's completely impossible.

Had he had a perfect run...not lost a single man...he would have only had 3 in Thunder Bay to attack International Falls.


(Thanks by the way for your quick response. I know I was critical when I first came here, but I was wrong. You guys do a great job under trying circumstances.)

It can happen. I had a run of dice like that last night, so I'd say it's very possible it happened, since I had a good run like he did at around the same time (and the dice can be streaky like that).

[disk]

I attacked first red in lake superior, i don't loose any armee, then i attacked international falls

I hope next time you'll think a little bit and try to understand by yourself before to accuse and isult people

What you just said you did is impossible. You cannot attack Lake Superior from St. Ignace or Sault St. Marie. You have to attack from Thunder Bay. Even if you didn't "loose" any armies you still have to put 1 there--which doesn't leave you 4 to attack into International Falls.

You're simply a liar and a crooked cheat.

[disk]

No, he said he played 4 v 1 in Int'l Falls, not lost 4 there.

Bandido: damned! i play 4 vs. 1 in international falls @*#+-* DICE aaaarrrrgh

What's the difference? How did he get 4 troops to Thunder Bay...when he started with 7 in St. Ignace...and still eliminate Gabriel's 3 in Lake Huron?

It's not a logic exercise here. It's just pure math. It's completely impossible.

Had he had a perfect run...not lost a single man...he would have only had 3 in Thunder Bay to attack International Falls.


(Thanks by the way for your quick response. I know I was critical when I first came here, but I was wrong. You guys do a great job under trying circumstances.)

It can happen. I had a run of dice like that last night, so I'd say it's very possible it happened, since I had a good run like he did at around the same time (and the dice can be streaky like that).

Wikid...mathmatically (not talking about dice here), it isn,t possible. Even if he had PERFECT dice. The most he could have ended up with on Thunder Bay is 3 dice. He had 4...which meant he could not have legally attacked into the lake. He had to have added armies by breaking into the page code. It's the only way possible.

Do what you want...bring it to the attention of the CC staff, or not. I know what I saw. His turn was finished...completed. And he came back somehow and altered the game.

THat's all I have to say.

[JoeCorden]

No, he said he played 4 v 1 in Int'l Falls, not lost 4 there.

Bandido: damned! i play 4 vs. 1 in international falls @*#+-* DICE aaaarrrrgh

What's the difference? How did he get 4 troops to Thunder Bay...when he started with 7 in St. Ignace...and still eliminate Gabriel's 3 in Lake Huron?

It's not a logic exercise here. It's just pure math. It's completely impossible.

Had he had a perfect run...not lost a single man...he would have only had 3 in Thunder Bay to attack International Falls.


(Thanks by the way for your quick response. I know I was critical when I first came here, but I was wrong. You guys do a great job under trying circumstances.)

It can happen. I had a run of dice like that last night, so I'd say it's very possible it happened, since I had a good run like he did at around the same time (and the dice can be streaky like that).

It could be interpreted differently but from Bandido's cursing of the dice in the chat it seems like he was saying he played 4v1 and lost due to naff dice.

[Bandido]

Wikid...mathmatically (not talking about dice here), it isn,t possible. Even if he had PERFECT dice. The most he could have ended up with on Thunder Bay is 3 dice. He had 4...which meant he could not have legally attacked into the lake. He had to have added armies by breaking into the page code. It's the only way possible.[/quote]

7 in st ignace, 6 in sault st mary, 5 in thunderbay attack lake sup -1 = 4 then 4 vs 1 in int. falls

i can't believe that you don't understand! i repeat next time think before to accuse

i m waiting for your apologieze now because you insult me on the chat log

[zarvinny]

Wikid...mathmatically (not talking about dice here), it isn,t possible. Even if he had PERFECT dice. The most he could have ended up with on Thunder Bay is 3 dice. He had 4...which meant he could not have legally attacked into the lake. He had to have added armies by breaking into the page code. It's the only way possible.

Do what you want...bring it to the attention of the CC staff, or not. I know what I saw. His turn was finished...completed. And he came back somehow and altered the game.

That's all I have to say.

7 in st ignace, 6 in sault st mary, 5 in thunderbay attack lake sup -1 = 4 then 4 vs 1 in int. falls

i can't believe that you don't understand! i repeat next time think before to accuse

i m waiting for your apologieze now because you insult me on the chat log

He has a point. He had 7 on ignace (right?), 6 on ste marie, 5 on thunder bay. Then 1 of those on thunder bay went to lake superior, but he didn't advance any more armies there. So he had 4 on the bay. At that point, he attacks int. falls 4 on 1 and loses. So now he has 3 on the bay.


simple

[LSU Tiger Josh]

From the game chat you posted near the top there is over an hour between one players turn and the next. you only have an hour to complete your turn. your p didn't complete the turn so it moves to the next person.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

2007-06-27 11:39:24 - gabriel_404 receives 3 armies for 1 territories
2007-06-27 11:39:32 - gabriel_404 deployed 3 armies on Dayton
2007-06-27 13:28:29 - Bandido receives 3 armies for 11 territories
2007-06-27 13:28:43 - Bandido deployed 3 armies on St. Ignace

I've bolded the relevent timeslots

[Bandido]

can someone close this topic please ?

[sully800]

What's the difference? How did he get 4 troops to Thunder Bay...when he started with 7 in St. Ignace...and still eliminate Gabriel's 3 in Lake Huron?

It's not a logic exercise here. It's just pure math. It's completely impossible.

Had he had a perfect run...not lost a single man...he would have only had 3 in Thunder Bay to attack International Falls.


(Thanks by the way for your quick response. I know I was critical when I first came here, but I was wrong. You guys do a great job under trying circumstances.)

The 3 were not on Lake Huron, they were on Thunder Bay. And perfect dice explains this away.

He had 7 on St. Ignace, attacked Sault Ste Marie and had 6, attacked Thunder Bay and paused for 17 seconds, which means for that time only one man would have appeared on Thunder Bay (that is what probably caused you to think his turn was over). Then he clicked advance giving him 5 on Thunder Bay. He then attacked Lake Superior, eliminating gabriel, but didn't advance there so there will still 4 on Thunder Bay. Then he lost the 4v1 as stated.

Since its mathematically possible, and you claimed it wasn't, I believe that you also just missed the pause in his advancing the troops. I've done it many times myself (seen the single man sitting in a country and thought that the person didn't advance) and there is no distinction made in the game log to show when a person advances their troops.

[sully800]

Heres an example of what I meant (sorry if its hard to see).


I attacked mexico city but didn't advance right away so it looks like I only have one man there (you can see the pause in the game log). But then when I click advance, 50+ men appear and I continue attacking. To someone observing the game it may look like I advanced none and could not continue attacking from mexico city, and then when I continued to do just that, they may think I was cheating.

I believe thats what happened in your case.