othon man / KonstantinosM [cleared/blocked]es

[THE_BLUEVIKING]

Accused:



othon man / KonstantinoM



The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis

Secret alliances



Game number(s):
GAME # 6985631 and Game # 7044154 .... Secret alliance, there game chat was in greek which is unreadable and must be considered CHEATING if the rest of the players don't understand ...
[game]7094885 .....7213657
[game]7211618 .....7207279
[game]7182501.....7153031
[game]7095130..... And many more



Comments: I have only played one game with him and found possible cheating by accident by reading his ratings then investigating their profiles myself. What i discovered was ,they both come from a small playing country , both non-members , both join the same games one after another at similar times ,play their turns sometimes less than 1 minute apart ,one of them has a much higher ranking than the other but gave each other the maximum rating with the tag " leader " for both, join the second last and last position of a game . I hope i'm wrong and all those games are just a coincidence .

[jrh_cardinal]

Accused:

othon man
KonstantinosM



The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Severe PM Abuse
Other: <Explanation>



Game number(s):



Comments:

you are supposed to fill out the 3 sections of this form (you aren't required to leave comments). It takes like 2 minutes, and it allows the multihunters to know what you are talking about and gives them a starting off point to work from, it saves them a lot of time.

I believe this is a multi accusation, it would be really nice if you provided the game number(s) where you played against these guys that made you think they are multis. If it's secret diplomacy, same thing.

[yrral]

Has to beGame 7094885

[THE_BLUEVIKING]

Thanks , i've never done this before i hope i have re-edited correctly ...

[jrh_cardinal]

Accused:

othon man
KonstantinosM



The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Secret alliances



Game number(s):

Game 7094885
Game 7213657
Game 7211618
Game 7207279
Game 7182501
Game 7153031
Game 7095130
And many more



Comments: I have only played one game with him and found possible cheating by accident by reading his ratings then investigating their profiles myself. What i discovered was ,they both come from a small playing country , both non-members , both join the same games one after another at similar times ,play their turns sometimes less than 1 minute apart ,one of them has a much higher ranking than the other but gave each other the maximum rating with the tag " leader " for both, join the second last and last position of a game . I hope i'm wrong and all those games are just a coincidence .

thanks, and ya, out of the 21 games KonstantinosM has played in, othon man has been in 19 of them. If they aren't multis, they're obviously friends who should be banned from playing each other, they're showing obvious favoritism towards each other.

[THE_BLUEVIKING]

Thanks for investigating JRH , after reading alot of other postings i wonder how many Multi's i have played against and never noticed . .. Cheers BV ..

[jrh_cardinal]

i wonder how many Multi's i have played against and never noticed . .. Cheers BV ..

not that I have anything against freemies in general, but whenever I play a freemie I wonder the same thing. How many freemies have multiple accounts to circumvent the 4 game rule?

[Evil Semp]

Taking a look at this.

[THE_BLUEVIKING]

Cheers ....

[Evil Semp]

othon man and KonstantinosM have been warned for secret diplomacy and have been blocked from playing any more games with each other. They will however be able to finish any games that they are in together.

At this time they are CLEARED of being multis.

[THE_BLUEVIKING]

Thankyou very much Evil Semp for clearing up this matter , kind regards BV ...

[othon man]

heyyyy....i just found out the way this system works here but on the negative side of it.i dont care if viking took my comment at the chat hard and stalked me until nailing.i do the same to others so it's fair enough to wonder for multiaccounts..anyway to the point now:if necessary i'll find the place you write it in the site but u know better than me that u allow friends,colleagues and even roommates who sare the same computer to play.isnt it right??you even encourage people to spread the word to benefit conquerclub right??well did u expect that friends and colleagues would join different tables???ofcourse we like to play at the same games and ofcourse we join last so that the game will start and we'll not wait for ages..everybody does that.if u see the way constantinos plays is totally diferent.i played all ''Risk'' games before,even ''Attack'' at fb and like the game.i think i make very few mistakes.constantinos on the contrary frequently finds himself blocked between his own troops when starting to eliminate someone in a long route and in the end loses...plus if u can check my times online u''ll no longer wonder how come and i play immediately...check even my other games.i like the game and i'm online even at work by iphone.i dont think playing with people u know is forbidden and i never make presents to anyone.if my mate turns to be a cook it's his problem.if necessary i can email you our identities:othon manolakos and konstantinos malligiannis.if i had searched for this announcement earlier everything would be simplier.enough of that and us being 2 persons or 1!!!u cannot say ''they've been warned''.warning is an non-action before the penalty,but you already inforced penalty to us by not letting people to play together.do u think everyone is unknown or likes to play with strangers???ofcourse not and in fact i didnt get how the fact i win and he loses proves something wrong!!ok i told u we know each other but that isnt forbidden.the point is to let us know EXACTLY what is that u didnt like in our games so that we won't do it again.THIS is a warning.we are willing to discuss with you administrator so that we will learn WHAT EXACTLY is worthy punishing and not repeat it but we also like to play one at anothers game and want to apply for the stop of our restriction.since u answered everyone of the ''accusers'' comments i only expect to have a little dialogue with me too(dont worry.not as this big as my..confession)

[othon man]

ps:oh i forgot some of the accusations!!!!its pretty match probable that once or twice IN THE BEGINNING of our dealing with conquergames we (like EVERY ROOKIE i guess) could have spoken in greek.if u see though it was practcly or even after at game end.ofcourse that wasnty right and didnt happen again.though it ensures that we arent multiaccount.and sinse we aren't i dont know ANYONE who would lose all the time in favor of another...so u have to mention something specific and illegal to prove us wrong.(and by the way,u admins didnt find creepy that a muppet player always joins the opposite team of the accused and plays horribly in order to give them....70/71 wins of their versus games and u found US suspicious???????)

[othon man]

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= ... 795&v=info
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= ... 065&v=info
these profiles dated years ago and the vice versa old comments would prove the difference of persons and not the multiaccount.so after u answer me mr.admin all the above i'd like to know what is wrong about playing with people i know?what is wrong about winning a friend of mine?what is wrong about being online enough to not lose a first turn if necessary?what's wrong about talking after the game (this when i was rookier than now and didnt know)to my native language.what's wrong about playing in close times since we live next door and usually work at the same computer???do i have to play only with strangers?do i have to block any of my friends?do i have to wait for others to play before me so that stalkers like viking wouldnt find step to mess up my reputation?and most important what else do i have to add to let me have a decent game with my company again and not insult me with a restriction of which i wasn't even warned so as to ask u and take precautions???

[Masli]

Othon man, you have already been cleared of beeing multi's !
No need to defend that, it has been checked !

[othon man]

ok and what about my argument about the rest?the accuser deserved multiple answers by the site and i cant have an answer to my questions???isnt it fair that i know what i did wrong?and fair to know the source of confidence about cheating with the clues as well.i think i've made my point enough before,dont make me repeat myself.i just want some logical answers for the non warned penalty

[othon man]

ok and what about my argument about the rest?the accuser deserved multiple answers by the site and i cant have an answer to my questions???isnt it fair that i know what i did wrong?and fair to know the source of confidence about cheating with the clues as well.i think i've made my point enough before,dont make me repeat myself.i just want some logical answers for the non warned penalty

[Masli]

othon man and KonstantinosM have been warned for secret diplomacy and have been blocked from playing any more games with each other. They will however be able to finish any games that they are in together.

RULES :

Rule #2: No secret diplomacy

Any form of diplomatic discussion between opponents must be posted in the game chat in English or in a language that all opponents understand. Diplomacy includes, but is not limited to: proposing truces, negotiating alliances, and coordinating assaults. Secret diplomacy can be hard to prove, but if you suspect it you should leave the players in question appropriate ratings. If you feel certain about players engaging in secret diplomacy consider reporting them in the Cheating & Abuse Reports forum by posting a new topic.

For breaking that rule you have been warned and have been blocked.

[Evil Semp]

ok and what about my argument about the rest?the accuser deserved multiple answers by the site and i cant have an answer to my questions???isnt it fair that i know what i did wrong?and fair to know the source of confidence about cheating with the clues as well.i think i've made my point enough before,dont make me repeat myself.i just want some logical answers for the non warned penalty

I have responded to your PM. You have been cleared of being a multi. There is no rule against playing against friends, but when friends play from the same computer one right after the other how can I not take that into consideration. When I see actions repeated game after game I can't ignore it.

You can appeal my decision with an e-ticket.