YA Twice and MonteCristo [Cleared of Multi]

[gator24]

Subject line: YA Twice and MonteCristo


These are suspected Secret Alliance

Suspect users: YA Twice and MonteCristo

Game number: [url]http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=122524

Comments: thined out territories near the other and attacked each other there to get bonus contries. did not fortify ajoining borders. it does not make sense why they did not try to take a bonus from each other. eliminated everyone else and finally fought each other at the end. might be wrong but does not seem right.

gator24

[LetGodSortThem]

And 21 games played together....

[Ya Twice]

Is there someone I'm NOT suspected of having a secret alliance with?


I have never and will never form a secret alliance with anyone. I have posted here reporting offers of secret alliance more than once.

In the game in question, (112524) I fortified against everyone when I could, and attacked when I saw weakness. I attacked montcristo throughout the entire game when it benefited me.

If I have a choice between breaking a continent and eliminating a player, I'm going after the weaker player. If I'm about to die, I'm going to make a last hurrah attempt to get more cards. It's that simple.

and why would I be forming these alliances when it seems I'm always the one losing in the suspected alliances?

[AAFitz]

sometimes un spoken alliances exist in the game. you dont hit them, they dont hit you...happens all the time...youre waiting for the right moment to strike as are they...

you should be careful when you do it with someone you play multiple games with...not saying its cheating, but it looks like cheating and makes people feel cheated, which is practically the same thing...and if you consistently, not saying you do, play games with friend and you two end up killing ea other at the end..you will have alot of explaining to do...even if you never speak a word of it...

i have lost alot of games simply because i had to hit a friend because it would look like cheating if i didnt... thats the problem with cheaters... they screw it up for everyone

i for one know your explanation is plausible, i havent been formally accused, but in the chat if you leave a border unprotected for a round or two, invariably its called out in the chat... all part of the game

[gator24]

If AAFitz is correct. which it did cross my mind that it could be that senario. I will applogize for throwing it out there in its own thread. I think more people should aplogize for throwing people under the bus. i also hate the fact that so many people are cheating that i does ruin it for others. So if Ya and Cristo are cleared i will apologize in a public forum.

[AAFitz]

very stand up gator, and im not saying guilty or innocent the moderators know exactly what to look for, my opinions arent for them, its for us...we have to let all cheaters know they will be crushed, and everyone else know that not every unprotected border is a secret alliance or multiple account..

I like playing with the same people time after time, you get to know what they will do, know when to hit them know when they will hit you, but dont want newbies caught in the middle to feel cheated either...but it is nice to see that you can suggest their game play and allow for the possible mistake...

keeps everyone honest and doesnt unfairly oppress innocent players...

[LetGodSortThem]

banter

[LetGodSortThem]

Some games they have played. Most they joined one after another:

Game: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=101759#gmtop Ya Twice MEPierce MonteCristo Always play within minutes of each other in freestyle

Game: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=100613#gmtop Ya Twice MEPierce MonteCristo Always play within minutes of each other in freestyle

Game: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=94714#gmtop Ya Twice MEPierce MonteCristo Always play within minutes of each other in freestyle

Game: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=105086#gmtop Ya Twice MEPierce MonteCristo Always play within minutes of each other in freestyle

Game: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=101278#gmtop MEPierce MonteCristo Always play within minutes of each other in freestyle

Game: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=100502#gmtop MEPierce MonteCristo Always play within minutes of each other in freestyle

Game: http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=104126#gmtop MEPierce MonteCristo Always play within minutes of each other in freestyle

No secret alliance? boy you guys play within minutes of each other in freestyle

[gator24]

i noticed it also but did not want to stat anything. waiting for the Mods to do their jobs. when they determine what is what then i go from there.

[AAFitz]

most of them are doubles i looked too obviously...if they cheated in the standard games then it will be obvious...but i have been in more than 20 games with a few people, and countless people ive been in with 10 or more games...occasionally i dont hit those people, occasionally i crush them and vice versa...again...im not saying they are innocent, just that it is possible...if you hit every border in every game with every person you are in a game with...you will never win a game...but if there have been other complaints...they should probably set up private games as i do with the people i partner with regularly...

[LetGodSortThem]

most of them are doubles ...

Are you blind? Did you check out the links I provided?
ALL STANDARD games.

AND everygame is freestyle where they all take thier turns at approx same time, no theres no co-ordination of turns here. What are the odds they always play together without pre co-ordination.

Secret Alliances are almost impossible to prove.

This is enough for me to add them to ignore list.

[Ya Twice]

I almost always play immediately when my turn is available because I have the notifier, as I assume other do which is why in some games dminus, johnnyrocket, naktay, mepierce, chadmw, montcristo, kramsey06, and countless others have played within minutes of each other.

it is very hard to get out of the loop of playing with some of the same players over and over when you are a) not a premium member and can only play 4 at a time, b) join new games almost immediately after finishing a game, and c) you have someone in more than one game with you.

I don\\\'t look to see who\\\'s in a game, I join standard freestyle escalating unlimited public games. if I can start a game and move first, I choose that one regardless of who\\\'s in it. If ones not waiting for 1 player to start, I join and wait.

Since almost every game listed above I lost, I again pose the question, Why the hell would I have alliances that I don\\\'t benefit from?!?!

[quote=\\"AAFitz\\"]sometimes un spoken alliances exist in the game. you dont hit them, they dont hit you...happens all the time...youre waiting for the right moment to strike as are they...[/quote]

I never thought of this as an alliance, but I am definitely guilty if it is. I just don\\\'t see the point in attacking an obviously superior opponent and weakening myself when I can attack a single army of another player, win, get my card, and fortify against the stronger foe until the cards are right to cash. I have done this with other players than mepirce and montcristo but again, I never thought of this as an alliance since nothing is spoken of it.

If it were called in chat in any of my games, I would defend it there instead of here and wouldn\\\'t be so animate once the forum post was made.

[AAFitz]

LGSTO...you have not played enough of these to know cheating(edited) from playing inonly nine games in my opinion...ya twice...i was saying an unspoken alliance is fine...its not an alliance...its more of a hope you dont get hit...happens all the time...gator...you had enough to show this one...its just possible its not cheating...

[Ya Twice]

Thank you AAFitz, I apologize if it seemed that I was attacking you, I was actually agreeing with you about the unspoken \"incidental\" alliances and explaining why it happened in that game against montcristo who had fortified and was obviously superior. So I attacked the weaker player to get a card and possibly another continent without becoming so weak that montcristo could roll over me. I got a little overzealous at the end and he took advantage of my unprotected border becasue I over-extended myself and couldn\'t fortify after I failed to take out Gator.

[LetGodSortThem]

Ok you did report two...good enough for me, guess you dont cheat. I apologize.

[AAFitz]

withdrawn

[Ya Twice]

I didn\'t say we played from the same computer during our games.

We work at the same company, He is a supervisor, I am not. I have no access to CC on my computer, but he does. I asked if I could take my turns at lunch from his PC, he said yes. We were in NO(ZERO) games together at the time. I know he plays from his PC at work hence me admitting that we have played from the same computer. Same meaning an IP check will show we have both logged in from the same IP at some point, but NEVER to play at the same time.

Since that lunch, I haven\'t been on his computer.

as far as montcristo is concerned, I\'ve never met him/her except in games.

[LetGodSortThem]

Like I said you reported 2 secret offers in pms, I gave you an apology
and have removed the posts ok.

[AAFitz]

im only showing the flip side here because that clown scares the hell out of me....

[AndyDufresne]

Ya Twice and MonteCristo are CLEARED of being multiple accounts. Regarding secret alliance, feel free to leave the appropriate feedback and/or add them to your ignore list.


--Andy