VTRepublic and Trombador

[Argenaut]

Accused:

• VTRepublic
• Trombador
• xxxxxxx

The accused are suspected of:

• Being Multis
• Having a secret alliance

Game number(s):

• Game 2016286

Comments:
Right away in round 1 - 4 I noticed these two players working together. They both left there borders undefended against each other. Another player in the game also caught on, so I know I'm not blowing smoke. Prior to this game, they have played together in many other games. They both talk similar, and play directly after each other, so I would not be surprised if it's a multi. Please look at game 2016286 as well as there PMs.

[VTRepublic]

You are such an idiot, Argenaut. You're just a poor sport because your starting to lose in that game. Yes Trombador and I have played many games against each other. That's not against the rules.

As far as having a secret alliance....you started accusing us of having an alliance two rounds into the game, and then Pachelbelian started calling for everyone in the game to start attacking us. We were quite open about saying we were pondering having an alliance at that point. No secret there.

Stop being a douche.

[Trombador]

Argenaut. I would like to take this opportunity to respond you your baseless claim that VTRepublic and I have a multi-account or have a secret alliance. Playing games with a person regularly does not validate your claim, nor does merely speaking in a similar manner (I know many people that can speak english, are we all cheating?) If it were possible to review the image and play of the game in question from the beginning to the current turn the people reading this forum could see the following information.

First, during the first four rounds, I could not attack anyone, as I was trying to consolidate Iran by taking out the neutrally held Baluchistan. This act alone took me seven rounds. Moreover, during those seven rounds VTRepublic was having better luck with the dice than I was, in gaining a bonus and fortifying his boarder with me. It would have been a senseless waist to attack him without a chance to win. Once I received all of Iran I attacked other players including VTRepublic, as the log will reflect.

I am not a cheater; this is only a board game, nothing more. We do not die in real life; we do not really lose territories or land. I am here to have fun and that is all. In addition, if I lose a game, it is okay, because there are many other opportunities to play again. I would just like to ask if you would publicly return my honor in the same manner that you have impugned it. I await your apology once any investigation clears me of your baseless accusations.

[pachelbelian]

Since Arg's original posting of this complaint, I have been accused by trom of sending him a PM describing my wish for a secret alliance with him against one of the other players in the same game. Not only does trom have this wrong, but he is very naive about CC's ability to do just what he wished: replay the game from the start, so that everyone can see what arg and I witnessed in the opening and subsequent rounds of said game.
He might also be less demanding that his "honor" be restored when he realizes that CC keeps logs of all PM's, and that his claim that I solicited a secret allaince is easily disproved.
This player is of NO honor, and is the type that makes playing here so difficult to those of us who are occasionally misfrotunate enough to cross their path.
C'mon CC....... This one is a no brainer. Check the game out, and make this site better for all the true lovers of the game.
BOOT THESE LIEING BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!

excuse the "french"

[Trombador]

If you look at the game log, you will see that it is VTRepublic that made that statement about a secret PM offering and alliance and not me. This player does not know what he is talking about. His accusations are so baseless that he can not even keep his lies straight. Check out the game log. Further, out of the games that he has played, it seems a constant theme to accuse others of having alliances and cheating!

[pachelbelian]

Trom is correct. After review of the log, I realize that it was indeed his lieing cheating cohort that made that particular statement. It was difficult for me to discern the statement from those that were being made by trom at the time. 'Tis hard to keep straight which cheating bastard contributed the last arrow of deception.

I HAVE played several games where alliances and cheating was evident, but unearthing the proof of these alliances must be difficult, even with all the resources that CC has. But, this occurance is so blatent that it should be posted in the forum as an obvious way NOT TO CHEAT if ya don't want to be caught.

Analysis of this game and the statements and pm's made by VT and his accomplice will expose the pair for what they are.

I leave it to the competent admins of CC to put this matter to sleep.

[VTRepublic]

Pachelbelian,

2008-03-25 00:18:00 - pachelbelian: I don't know if you guys have noticed it, but don't expect teal or pink to attack each other in this one.

That statement was in the second round of the game. All you did was look at our past games and see that we had played a lot of games together. You never even gave us a chance. The whole game went downhill from there. You then called for everyone to gang up on us.

2008-03-26 01:07:41 - pachelbelian: we should all wind up on them, and rid this game of their obvious collusion!

This comment in the third round. Now if that's not asking for alliance....I don't know what is. At that point Trombador and I...in open game chat pondered the idea of maybe forming a defensive alliance. I'd also like to point out that I HAVE ATTACKED HIM IN THIS GAME.

I used the "alliance offer from you" PM statement as a strategy to throw everyone off from your illogic. When you try to drum up support from everyone in the game against me, it requires quite specific and definitive defensive tactics. Making everyone think that you offered a strategy is a good tactic to use. It's called PsyOps. I don't see deception as being against the rules. If lies were against the rules, claiming we had an alliance would have got you booted a long time ago.

You take this game far too seriously.

[VTRepublic]

"Thus the highest form of generalship is to balk the enemy's plans, the next best is to prevent the junction of the enemy's forces, the next in order is to attack the enemy's army in the field, and the worst policy of all is to besiege walled cities."

The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.

Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated.

-Sun Tzu

[Argenaut]

The whole point is, you both know each other, you both did not defend against each others boarders, and you did not declare an alliance of any sorts, until after people called you out on it.

I've lost plenty of games in the past... I could careless if I loose this game. I just want fair games that do not break any rules. Is that to much to ask?

[Trombador]

Argenaut,

You made several points in your first declaration, including that we were a multi and that we had a secret alliance. Neither of which you can prove with fact. You are quite proficient at making fraudulent and baseless claims. VTRepublic and I never stated that we did not play games in the past. So merely pointing out that we knew each other is no proof of a multi or secret alliance. Further, we did not call an alliance, as there was no alliance at the beginning of the game. Pachelbelian planted the seed of discontent and you took the call to join his witch-hunt.

There is absolutely no proof of any wrongdoing. You have your opinion, which you are entitled to have, but an opinion is far off the mark for proving your claim. In your first post, you stated that we must be the same player because we followed each other in turn. Does this rational hold true for you and Pachelbelian, as you follow each other in turn? Further, to two of you both speak in apparent broken English, does that make you milti-players or guilty of having a secret alliance? I do not think so! However, I am not making such claims.

If all you have to validate your claim is the following: your assumption, VTRepublic’s and I similar vocabulary, that we have played games before and new each other, and that we follow each other in turn you really have nothing!

[VTRepublic]

Quite frankly I'm offended. My spelling, grammar, and English vernacular is far better than Trombador's. I'm quite insulted.

Furthermore, I did attack him, I have attacked him, and the only border that was not defended is where he had 1...ONE!!!!! army! It's also part of strategy to decide where you can fortify, and where you can't. I'd love to fortify every border I have, every round...that's simply not possible all the time!

Although he did it with typos, his point was accurate. Your opinion that we had an alliance is just that, opinion. It's also quite inaccurate. I'm quite competitive and would like nothing more than to see him as an eternal cook. I don't need his help to squash you, and those employing poor strategy like a grape. That being said, I do have a lot to learn myself. However, before you come in here posting baseless accusations because you're now on the losing side of a game....get your facts in order. The facts of this case simply don't support the charge.

I can't wait to add you to my foes list! You and Pachelbelian have truly ruined what could have been quite an entertaining game!

[pachelbelian]

the abuse of the site was evudent from the very beginning. And yes, I brought it to the forefront early on, as I should have. I am waiting for a conclusion from the administrators of this site.
BUST THESE GUYS, and be done with it.

[VTRepublic]

the abuse of the site was evudent from the very beginning. And yes, I brought it to the forefront early on, as I should have. I am waiting for a conclusion from the administrators of this site.
BUST THESE GUYS, and be done with it.

[scarface99x]

This tends to happen alot I noticed when friends play singles. Honestly why not just play team games to avoid such things. Because despite what is said there always tends to be more favoritism towards a friend than someone you don't know or don't like. I'm not saying anyone had a secret alliance or is a multi, but if you are going to play games with your buddy why not just play team games. If you want to kill each other how about private games or one on one games? All opening it up to the public does is create this kind of stuff.

[VTRepublic]

This tends to happen alot I noticed when friends play singles. Honestly why not just play team games to avoid such things. Because despite what is said there always tends to be more favoritism towards a friend than someone you don't know or don't like. I'm not saying anyone had a secret alliance or is a multi, but if you are going to play games with your buddy why not just play team games. If you want to kill each other how about private games or one on one games? All opening it up to the public does is create this kind of stuff.

Thanks for your input. If you'll look at our games, we do have quite a broad background of games that we play. I appreciate what you're saying, and essentially what it boils down to is that's what we'll wind up having to do because of ignorant whiny brat's like these two camel dung lickers, Pachelbelian and Argenaut.

[pachelbelian]

VT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I am sick of your abuse................

I hope that I can find out who you are.................

You have lied,,,,,,,,,,,,,, abused me and this site,,,,,,,,,manipulated the forum,,,,,,,,,,,, and shown your ass for what it is,,,,,,,,, bruised, bare, and probably full -as best he can- of trom!

You need to be banned from this site.

If you and your friend trom are so obsessed with honor, then express your obsession in ways that do not impune the unblemished honor of those that see through you!

[Trombador]

VT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I am sick of your abuse................

I hope that I can find out who you are.................

You have lied,,,,,,,,,,,,,, abused me and this site,,,,,,,,,manipulated the forum,,,,,,,,,,,, and shown your ass for what it is,,,,,,,,, bruised, bare, and probably full -as best he can- of trom!

You need to be banned from this site.

If you and your friend trom are so obsessed with honor, then express your obsession in ways that do not impune the unblemished honor of those that see through you!

Pachelbelian,

In reading your last post, I wondered…could this person put together a statement without plagiarizing himself, spouting profanity every other word, insulting others, or even make it coherent?

This is a forum to bring to light cheaters. Not ramble on about how you are abused or feel maltreated. This is the place that you would make an accusation or offer qualitative proof of wrongdoing or offering proof to clear one self. Not the barely literate statements that you put together calling names, plagiarizing, or speaking ill, demanding that VTRepublic and I are banned.

I would like to offer to you and your follower: Argenaunt, that on 4/10/2008 I emailed the moderators about this situation and your fraudulent claim about having a multi account and received this in response:


"I agree you are not using multiple accounts. I suggest you add those users to your Foe list and leave them the appropriate feedback.


--Andy

--Andy"


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Now, when the moderators have completed their investigations into your claim and find that, VTRepublic and I are innocent of your accusations, I hope that you and Agrenaunt can be big boys and end your name-calling, profanity, and whining. At least do it in the appropriate place.

I would urge all who read this to put these two clowns on your foe list due to their extreme combative and argumentative nature, and further for Conquer Club to take their ability to make false accusations so that all they encounter can enjoy the game, as it was intended. In the mean time, I look forward to discerning your next post Pachelbelian. You barely literate fool.

[VTRepublic]

'nuff said.

[king achilles]

VTRepublic and Trombador are not multis with each other. As for a secret alliance, it is noted. We leave it up to the other players to leave a feedback supported with facts from the game that led to what you suspect of them having.

[pachelbelian]

you have the game logs and the chat achilles.

do your job.

This is getting boring and even more abusive. You are enabling these types to control this site, and I have joined my last game here because of it.

I can find better things to do than try to do your job for you.

good night all.

[Argenaut]

I have not once posted / spread any profanity to VT or Trom, so my I suggest not letting your emotions run over the truth. I will agree that Pachelbelian goes a bit above and beyond.

I did not expect either of you to get banned since you have both been on here awhile. However, achilles at least said it was noted. If you try this again, I do not expect the same result.

[VTRepublic]

I have not once posted / spread any profanity to VT or Trom, so my I suggest not letting your emotions run over the truth. I will agree that Pachelbelian goes a bit above and beyond.

I did not expect either of you to get banned since you have both been on here awhile. However, achilles at least said it was noted. If you try this again, I do not expect the same result.

Argenaut,

Admittedly, you have been more civil in your discourse than the mental midget Pachelbelian. That being said, your accusation was, and still is baseless. I admire that King Achilles noted the accusation, but I still profusely deny that we had a secret alliance in that game.

Pachelbelian,

Good riddance! It is filth like you that makes Conquer Club a joyless experience at times. I guess ridding you from the site was one positive outcome of the game!

Humbly,

The Democratic Republic of VT

[pachelbelian]

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Keep your comments focused on this forum, and keep your cheating ass out of the game chat.