Black Metal Mafia - SCUM WINS

[Maxleod]

I am actually waiting to hear what EW and Kong think about all of this. My personal feeling is that we should move forward by lynching Max for now, and work with the result as well as N4 result? Max had plenty of time on D3 to claim, cop or jailkeeper, he did not do that so if he flips town (which I have a strong feeling he wouldn't), then it will not be a huge loss.

See Town? It's so obvious Charle is Scum

[Loose Canon]

I am getting frustrated now.

Loud and clear sonic is mafia. I'm as sure of that as a vanilla townie could possibly be in this setup.
If we were in a pub together right now, I would be saying to all of you I bet you anything you want that sonic is mafia.
Imagine you are in that pub with me and I'm being loudmouthed, I'm even offering you £2 of mine for every £1 of yours you want to bet and pull out the largest wedge of dosh you've ever seen in your life and slapped it on the bar. No bets too big no bets too small. That's how sure I am of it.

Number 2 scum is looking to me like dev, but I'm nowhere near as confident on that.
Dev says virtually nothing.
Then he says wouldn't it be funny if me and sonic were scum together.
That can be read as saying damn scum sonic to scum dev looks scummy to me, but I'll make an apparent throwaway nothing comment that puts the idea that loose is as bad as sonic.in everyones heads.
Then he says he has no idea so he'll just follow Charle.
Then I say it could be anyone with sonic, but Dev edges it for me.
Dev doesn't like that and immediately switches from max to me, and gets annoyed when scum sonic who he already thinks is blatantly scum sounding pitches in, so he scolds sonic, and sonic unSonic like backs off.
No 2 scum might not be Dev, but he looks most likely to me.

Then we have the spoiler to sonic today, most likely dev tomorrow when max pitches in.
I had max agreeing yesterday to vote sonic, if the other votes were lining up.
I don't know how that is going to happen now after Max's last intervention. And no I don't think max is mafia, but I have to allow that he might be.
Yes all including sonic, I am now frustrated, very frustrated.
Aaaaaggggghhhhh!!!!

[Extreme Ways]

I am actually waiting to hear what EW and Kong think about all of this. My personal feeling is that we should move forward by lynching Max for now, and work with the result as well as N4 result? Max had plenty of time on D3 to claim, cop or jailkeeper, he did not do that so if he flips town (which I have a strong feeling he wouldn't), then it will not be a huge loss.

I dont mind it, I think Max is very very hard to find as town (or as scum) because it seems like his actions are random at best.

I dont think Max is a power role, though it should be noted that Max didnt claim his role as town either in one of his earlier games. I dont think we are lynching our jailkeeper there.

[Loose Canon]

2 questions Ew and everyone else

1. Why is it better to lynch max rather than sonic today?
2. If you/we do lynch max today - will you vote to lynch sonic tomorrow?

[Loose Canon]

Actually there's a third very important question that goes with the previous 2.

3. Who do you think is more likely to be mafia, sonic or max?

[Charle]

Actually Loose, I have 4 questions for you as well:
1. Why are you protecting Max with everything you have? You mentioned a few times that he might be scum, but you would rather lynch Sonic or Dev today and you went full steam for EW yesterday?
2. What did Sonic do between yesterday and today to move your focus from EW (who was your No. 1 scum option yesterday) to Sonic?
3. What did Dev do, that Kong and Traf did not do, to make him scum?
4. What happened last night that took EW completely off your scum list?

[Extreme Ways]

2 questions Ew and everyone else

1. Why is it better to lynch max rather than sonic today?
2. If you/we do lynch max today - will you vote to lynch sonic tomorrow?

1. Sonic is town, Max is something
2. Maybe, depends.

Actually there's a third very important question that goes with the previous 2.

3. Who do you think is more likely to be mafia, sonic or max?

Max.

I think expecting me to lynch probably my loudest defender is a tad out of touch, and I do not want Max near a situation where a mislynch equals a loss - his alignment needs to be sorted before that.

[Loose Canon]

Actually Loose, I have 4 questions for you as well:
1. Why are you protecting Max with everything you have? You mentioned a few times that he might be scum, but you would rather lynch Sonic or Dev today and you went full steam for EW yesterday?
2. What did Sonic do between yesterday and today to move your focus from EW (who was your No. 1 scum option yesterday) to Sonic?
3. What did Dev do, that Kong and Traf did not do, to make him scum?
4. What happened last night that took EW completely off your scum list?

Good and fair questions Charle

1. Sonic for sure and to a lesser extent Dev, I am more suspicious of than Max.
The reason I'm less suspicious of Max than you are is his digging in with a theory is consistent with how he was as mason with me in your game.
There's also an element I'll admit of not wanting to hound a player out of these games - Max enjoys them otherwise he wouldn't be playing them - I've targetted Max in the past etc etc
I also had Max yesterday agreeing to join lynch on Sonic today, if other votes were lining up on Sonic today. Unfortunately so far they are not.
Having said all that needs are what needs must and I'm thinking about whether given I feel so strongly about Sonic being mafia, its wiser to join what I suspect to be a mislynch of Max.

2. Sonic I think you'll find I switched votes and maximum suspicion to D3. It was overwhelming and I've seen no reason to doubt that Sonic is mafia today - quite the opposite if that is possible.
Regarding EW being less high on my suspect list, its firstly and foremostly that Sonic in particular registered so highly and strongly on it.
EW was asking the right questions of me yesterday.
In trying to distinguish between smart EW being town and smart EW being mafia pretending to be town, one comment within a post of EWs struck me in particular as probably genuine, "No Recruit Sucks".
When I then turned my D3 premise that smartest play is no recruit - who is the smartest player - EW is in that frame - to a different question who would no recruit most appeal to - that made me think of everyone but particularly Dev more.
EW could still be smart scum playing it to a tee - shouldn't be discounted - if theres one player who could pull it off so perfectly it would be EW.

3. Dev - partly my answer to 2 at least initially D4.
It also coincided with his wouldn't it be funny if Sonic and Loose were scum together post - which instinctively pinged on my radar but I couldn't initially logically think why.
Now I hypothesize it was frustration with partner Sonic looking too mafia to mafia partner - he subconciously posted something that was suggestive of me and Sonic being as bad as each other.
Now his I'll follow Charle (vote Max), quickly turning to actually no I'm gonna say Loose is my most likely mafia, and the interaction with Sonic during that.
For someone who posted next to nothing before - its put him on my radar for sure.
BUT nowhere near as strongly as Sonic.

Traf - nothing is really pinging one way or the other, except he seems more engaged than he does as mafia Traf.

Kong - to D3 his play has been indistinguishable from Town Kong.
D4 he has made a remarkable comment for a Mafia Kong - he said he'd vote for me for now but then post something else later. A mafia Kong would surely expect to be called out on that.

4. EW is not completely off my scum list - but see 2 and 3 for what has slipped him down it relative to other players.

My scum list is currently as follows;

A. Sonic MASSIVELY
B. Dev but a mile as the crow flies behind Sonic
C. Max but a country mile behind Sonic
D (= roughly) EW and Traf - 2 miles as the crow flies behind Sonic
F. Kong - 2 country miles behind Sonic

[Loose Canon]

2 questions Ew and everyone else

1. Why is it better to lynch max rather than sonic today?
2. If you/we do lynch max today - will you vote to lynch sonic tomorrow?

1. Sonic is town, Max is something
2. Maybe, depends.

Actually there's a third very important question that goes with the previous 2.

3. Who do you think is more likely to be mafia, sonic or max?

Max.

I think expecting me to lynch probably my loudest defender is a tad out of touch, and I do not want Max near a situation where a mislynch equals a loss - his alignment needs to be sorted before that.

EW,

Re 1. I am more comfortable with you thinking that Sonic is town than I would be with other players.
I am most confident you as town EW would be determined and have the smarts to figure this all out eventually.
If I was in the pub with you right now and said I'll bet you £50 that Sonic is mafia - would you take me up in it? (I mean if you wanted to haggle I'd lay down £100 of my cash to £50 of yours, and if you said as a rockstar the one vice you don't have is gambling - I'd say OK friendly for bragging rights Rockstars honour) Would you take me up on a bet in some form or another?

What I'm uneasy about is if Charle, Traf, Kong and Dev are agreeing with you.
Particularly if more than 1 of the above are agreeing with you.
Because the more others agree with you on this particularly if 2 or more of the above do, why would I trade a lynch vote on Max today for a maybe Sonic tomorrow when I can see a mafia path to victory inherrent in that vs what I believe is near certain town victory from lynching Sonic today?
Max don't forget said yesterday he'd join a lynch on Sonic today if the numbers were stacking.
It would be a bad, possibly catastrophic trade from where I'm sitting (as vanilla town).

And EW and Kong .
I dithered and shied away from your masterplan for winning the last game quickly.
So why shouldn't you now both shy away from what I see as probable quick victory?
Kongs argument and outline plan of a way for town to win even if he got lynched/not believed actually played a significant part in my decision to shy away. (it tipped my risk/reward scales for lynching Kong )
To be fair to myself though, following the mislynch of Kong, I did follow Kongs outlined plan B of his way to win even though I'd played a significant part in his lynching.

So EW your 2 maybe/depends answer would be OKish if its just you who says that - but in a game where there's likely only a jailkeeper there will be no firm definitive evidence of guilt - ever.

Mafia Sonic is hiding in plain site, and to this vanilla townie at least he stands out loud and clear.

[SoN!c]

Loose, why am i scum again? The last time i asked you that question your reasoning was nothing but complete nonsense / absurdity. Even saying "you know very well sonic there is no hard evidence on you"...and ending your case on me "because sonic has a bad catalogue of black metal records"..

It is contradictory you know, saying you are like "1000% sure" but also saying "there is no hard evidence on you and it's basically just a hunch" at the same time...

Now you say your same absurd reasoning, this time cuckoo reasoning on Max makes him "very likely town" and that you even want to go into the finale more with an unreliable Max then with some others? Makes no sense at all. Max is Max like he always is. And Max is voting Charle in case you missed it...but you keep defending him?

You were also "sure" on Strike and "sure" on Pix but the next day (after they both flipped town) it was like "oh well, i was wrong, let's forget that fast, up to the next"...

Now again: You cannot provide actual logic reasoning other then shouting that you are "sure"..and that you wanna take a big bet because you are "that sure!"

If some guy sells me crypto saying he is "sure" it will make a lot of money and i loose all my money, then re-buy some more crypto from that same guy a second time because he again said "he is very sure this time" (without providing actual good reasons) and it's again a big fail and i loose all my money again, am i gonna buy a third time from that same idiot just because the guy says again "he is sure"? I think not. People would think you're cuckoo. And for good reasons. Its probably a scam.

So answer me this: (your still in hard denial ofcourse so it would be very hard to do) but let's agree your scum for sake of argument:

A) as scum who would you kill tonight?
B) as things stand would your scum partner throw you under the bus any time soon? Who would that be?
C) would you be buttering up the people who have still not voted you just to avoid more votes piling up on you while at the same time buttering up others who did voted you just hoping they will remove it? (like buttering up EW and Kong like you just did)?

[SoN!c]

Im gonna wheel your big fat scum Demon Ass in Loose! Big fish on the hook

[SoN!c]

So loose was the entire time online and has read everything but did not even peep back (staying silent like a mouse).

Lets play this clinincal and smart?

Max first, loose second.Should be checkkmate in any scenario?

[Maxleod]

2 questions Ew and everyone else

1. Why is it better to lynch max rather than sonic today?
2. If you/we do lynch max today - will you vote to lynch sonic tomorrow?

1. Sonic is town, Max is something
2. Maybe, depends.

Actually there's a third very important question that goes with the previous 2.

3. Who do you think is more likely to be mafia, sonic or max?

Max.

I think expecting me to lynch probably my loudest defender is a tad out of touch, and I do not want Max near a situation where a mislynch equals a loss - his alignment needs to be sorted before that.

Sonic is Town? Based on what evidence?

[Maxleod]

So loose was the entire time online and has read everything but did not even peep back (staying silent like a mouse).

Lets play this clinincal and smart?

Max first, loose second.Should be checkkmate in any scenario?

Unvote

Vote Sonic

[Charle]

Honestly Loose, I don't buy your answer on my 4th question at all. The following post was done right at the end of D3:

Ok max, and in the event that we go into tomorrow without a detective having been lynched/killed/revealing themselves, and nothing else to indicate there is a detective, would you then be onboard with joining a lynch on either sonic or Ew if others are too?

Then the following day EW is one of the least scum. Something happened N3 (when there was no lynch) to make you loose interest in EW completely. You even made me suspicious of EW at one stage, I cannot find anything that would change that, except your complete change of interest on D4, which to me is scum trying to fish our jailkeeper?

Unvote

Vote Loose

[Charle]

If I count correctly Loose is on L-1, so it is up to EW or Traf to hammer. We know that Max will never do it, he is the other scum.

[Ragian]

Official vote count



Max (1) - Devante
Loose (4) - Kong, Son!c, Devante, Charle - Loose is at L-1
Son!c (2) - Loose, Max

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

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[Charle]

Ragian, you have Devante on there twice. He unvoted Max before his vote on Loose.

[Loose Canon]

You are leading town to defeat Charle - I will present in full the case against Sonic in due course, I have to go to work now.

[SoN!c]

You are leading town to defeat Charle - I will present in full the case against Sonic in due course, I have to go to work now.

Make it good Loose. No yadayada. And without mentioning betting odds that you will take in some bar It should be good fun to read as im town.

Also don't forget to answer my questions:

A) as scum who would you kill tonight?
B) as scum and at L-1 would your scum partner throw you under the bus? Who would that be?
C) as scum, would you be buttering up the people who have still not voted you just to avoid more votes piling up on you? (While at the same time buttering up others who did voted you just hoping they will remove their vote on you?) Like buttering up EW and Kong like you just did?

[Charle]

You are leading town to defeat Charle - I will present in full the case against Sonic in due course, I have to go to work now.

I don't think so Loose, was thinking a lot of what happened to make you change your mind.

I think our jailkeeper locked up EW for some reason. You as scum wanted to kill EW and failed, but you know that EW was jailed and he cannot be the jailkeeper. EW move down your lynch list, as you need to find the jailkeeper urgently. I will be very surprised if you flip town, seriously.

[Ragian]

Official vote count



Loose (4) - Kong, Son!c, Devante, Charle - Loose is at L-1
Son!c (2) - Loose, Max

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

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Piss off, Charle

[SoN!c]

DO YOU FEEL LUCKY PUNK LOOSE? DO YOU?

[Loose Canon]

Demonaz vs Son!c

Son!c is hereby accused of not being a member of a Black Metal Group.
He is further accused of being a boyband (One Direction) member at best, and
totally devoid of any musical talent at worst.
In either case he is accused of being an imposter.

He is further charged with the aggravating offence of lyrics unbecoming to Black Metal.
naaddaa naadaa naaadaa

The Case for the Prosecution


The evidence that I will outline here is albeit circumstantial, there is no signed
confession, no smoking gun, there never can be in No Recruit Circumstances.
But I trust if you fully consider all the circumstantial evidence which is light on
Days 1 and 2, but increasingly andcumulatively powerful in days 3 and 4, you
my wicked Black Metal townsfolk, can come to no other conclusion that Son!c
has no right to call himself a rockstar and should be lynched out of Scandinavia
IMMEDIATELY.

The evidence will be numbered according to the order of Son!cs posts.

Days 1 and 2

14 23/12/24 points to suspicion Loose and Max have on Charle for too quick off the mark posting
rather than outright saying yes I suspect Charle too.
17 28/12/24 responds to Loose post suspicious of him because gone quiet after a lot of early flavour
posting with "If that’s how you feel vote for me" knowing full well Loose does not want to eliminate
Sonic Day1.
24 31/12/24 posts a confusing and pointless strategy, that’s worse than flipping a coin for jailkeeper
protecting Charle.
31 3/1/25 lightly warns Loose off, saying Loose sounds exactly like in Charles game nobodys going to
vote for Loose unless starting wild goose chases. Or perhaps he wants to characterise Loose as
starting wild goose chases after Loose has pointed out his strategy is worse than a coin flip.
33 4/1/25 confidently or misleadingly asserts we are in 2 jailkeepers 1 cop territory.
36 7/1/25 yikes post to conveniently throw shade at JFM and Loose at the same time.
39 8/1/25 agrees with Loose that there are fake claiming possibilities of no recruit, but still counters
mafia wouldn't have had weeks to think about it, thereby encouraging town to lean towards
recruitment scenario.
Asks for speculation on what cop should do and who would most likely murder Loose.
40 8/1/25 repeats specualtion probe and excuses himself from airing suspicions.
55 10/1/25 again Challenges Loose to vote Sonic because Loose said light scummy feelings about
Sonic D1.
56 11/1/25 again asks for speculation about what scum would do night 1
57 11/1/25 says he's pretty sure he's safe tonight - maybe to imply he's self jailing jailkeeper

Day 2

59 13/1/25 reacts with a bit of annoyance laced with a lot of sarcasm that Loose has voted Sonic.
66 16/1/25 after the jfm/sonic edit post saga Sonic ends his aggrieved party post with "im outta here"
Sonic begs to get in games - he's feeling a bit of vote and post pressure - town Sonic wouldn't
be defensive - mafia Sonic later changes tack.
67 16/1/25 "I'm outta here." still playing the aggrieved Sonic.
78 21/1/25 again Sonic threatens to leave

There's nothing too much D1 and 2 but Sonic increasingly throwing a lot of wild accusations around
which would serve a mafia sonic.

Day 3

83 Sonics surveyed the situation and decides after Loose has pointed out increasing likelihood of no recruit
that mafia Sonics best form of defence is attack and so votes Loose
84 Justifies his vote on Loose on basis that Loose has suspected so many players - town has to be suspicious or on
alert from all early on. Mafia Sonic has decided that attack on Loose is well and truly his best form of defence.
Now its full force Sonic.
85-95 posts attacking Loose.
96 30/1/25 Loose is playing and posting strategic thoughts or trying to, which mafia Sonic doesn’t like so
says Loose is leaving "0 room for initiative outside your (Looses) own.
97 30/1/25 Sonic sidles up to Kong.
98 31/1/25 post attacking Loose
99 31/1/25 attacks Loose for browsing forum without posting
100 & 101 31/1/25 attacks Loose - says Loose hasn't been answering questions - but he has been its just the questions
have been twisted.
102 attack on loose
103-106 2/2/25 resumes attack on loose because EW says he gets my point on Sonic whatever else we disagree on,
107-108 again attacks Loose
111 4/2/25 again attacks Loose
112 4/2/25 resumes browsing without posting attack on Loose
113 4/2/25 another browsing without posting attack on loose
114 4/2/25 a third browsing witohut posting attack on loose
115 & 116 attacks on loose
117 5/2/25 jaaajaajjaa post on loose
118,119,120 posts vs Loose
121 6/2/25 outright lie that Sonic has been pushing Loose since day1
121 & 123 posts vs Loose
124 6/2/25 another brwsing without posting attack on loose
125 7/2/25 a longer attack on loose
126 10/2/25 a further attack on loose
127 attack on loose
128 & 129 11/2/25 attack on loose
130 11/2/25 another browsing without posting attack on loose
131 12/2/25 I can switch oif neceassary post

Day 4

132 13/2/25 mafia Sonic excuses himself for not voting Max after EW has done so, but still manages to accuse Loose of not voting Max.
scum Sonic has figured that if he tied hinself closelky with EW both would come under suspicion but Sonic more so.
133 13/2/25 attack on loose
134-137 14/2/25 attacks on loose
138-141 15/2/25 attacks on loose
142-145 16/2/25 attacks on loose
150 16/2/25 attacks Traf after Traf has said he leans Losse is town
151 16/2/25 another browsing without posting attack on looise
152 16/2/25 comes off of attack on Traf resumes attack on Loose
153 & 154 positnig time attack on loose
155 votes loose
157 18/2/25 attack on loose
158 18/2/25 yadadadayada post
159 18/2/25 attack on loose
160 18/2/25 attacks loose for pressing Dev, interrupts pressing
161 18/2/25 yadayada post
162 18/2/25 backs off when Dev says Sonic is on his scumdar as well as Loose
163 20/2/25 attacks Loose
164 20/2/25 Loose has been online attack oin loose
165 21/2/25 attacks Loose
166 big Dirty Sonic attacks loose.

The case for the prosecution is a Scum Sonic is addicted to posting and for want of anything else uses attack as best and only
form of defence.
Yadadadayada further more has no place in the Lyrcis of Scandinavian Black Metal.
Demonaz rests his case

[SoN!c]

So its me and Sonic then? Sonic + sonic?? okay...you did not say Who is/are my scumpartner(s)? You just say its "Just sonic and sonic" ??

"Further charged with the aggravating offence of lyrics unbecoming to Black Metal naaddaa naadaa naaadaa"

"Yadadadayada further more has no place in the Lyrcis of Scandinavian Black Metal.Demonaz rests his case"


Oh boy . Yuup this was super fun to read!! Great job Loose, reading this stuff sure beats watching TV! please do it again you are the best when it comes to absurdistan .